Saru plan PdV review process
5 Sep 2010
Saru will undertake their annual review of the Springboks’ Tri-Nations performances and Peter de Villiers’ comments in the media.
The review will take place later this month and covers all aspects of the Boks and De Villiers’ performances. Saru president Regan Hoskins said that there will also be formal discussions regarding De Villiers’ comments that the Boks supported murder accused Bees Roux 100%.
In an attempt to clean up De Villiers’ mess, Hoskins said that he had written a letter to the family of dead policeman Johannes Mogale to show the union’s support and send their condolences.
‘All rugby followers are extremely disappointed with results in the Tri-Nations, as are the Springbok team and management, of course,’ said Hoskins. ‘We take the situation very seriously but there is a process in place and we will follow that through.’
Saru won’t comment further until the review is complete.
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5 Sep 2010, 18:39 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-45: agreed, there are more issues than just replacing PDV, however thinking would be that a stronger coach would get the other aspects resolved …
Worst case they hopefully at least appoint a worthwhile defensive coach, plus a conditioning expert
5 Sep 2010, 18:41 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-49: jake won the 3nations in 2004…did nothing after that bar big losses (read zero scores) against auzz & AB’s…then the WC
5 Sep 2010, 18:42 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-49: also have to consider that in 2009 the ABs struggled without Carter …
5 Sep 2010, 18:43 pm
I refuse to support this hond p!el bok team. !!!
5 Sep 2010, 18:43 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-52: Question: how would Jake have done without Eddy Jones anyway?
5 Sep 2010, 18:44 pm
@danuk(danuk)-51: these are professional players so howcome they built winning 07 on defense yet they cant tackle now
5 Sep 2010, 18:45 pm
@danuk(danuk)-55: well given the route / path in the 07 WC I think we would have still won..remember we never faced the Auzzies nor AB’s
5 Sep 2010, 18:45 pm
@danuk(danuk)-55:
Probably not so good, but at least he chose wisely! PdV could choose his team and chose the worst of the worst. He needs to take accountability
5 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-52: I was not a big fan of Jake White. Bless him for winning the RWC, and rebuilding the Boks. But his record is quite average.
Winning the RWC 3 years ago gives me little comfort wen we lose badly in 2010.
We need a new coach.
This is my personal opinion, PdV is not half the coach Jake White was, not a third the coach Nick Mallet is, and should not even be coaching the ball boys in games coached by Graham Henry & Robbie Deans. Or John Mitchell.
5 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-58: Saru has a selection panel..divvy does not pick the team alone
5 Sep 2010, 18:47 pm
@danuk(danuk)-53: aye.
5 Sep 2010, 18:48 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-60: They should also be let go.
5 Sep 2010, 18:48 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-60:
He suggests who he would like as his support team.
5 Sep 2010, 18:50 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-59: jake was just as bad…i say keep divvy, replace the 2 loosers next 2 him & give him a proper media person
5 Sep 2010, 18:53 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-64: Why bother?
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
5 Sep 2010, 18:55 pm
ok I have to mow the lawn. See you through the window.
5 Sep 2010, 18:57 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-65: jake had gert & al ..still he needed eddie…pieter has 2 plonkers so equip him with proper / more astute people by his side…the gunning for pieters head started on the day of his appointment because the folk up north wanted meyer
5 Sep 2010, 18:58 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-60: yeah, definitely not divvy’s fault on his own, just seems:
1. He and his coaching team are not tactically astute. It took them 3 games to realise and adjust to the quicker pace of play AND realise that they cannot choose out of form players for the 3Ns
2. He does not have the experience/confidence to manage his senior players and to make hard calls to drop them, ala WO initially, Smit, Habana, etc. This is not just him though, the selectors also come into play here
3. He needs to realise what his says causes unneeded ****. Even if he feels he is right he should realise as an international coach that he needs to check what he says
… all of the above unfortunately has nothing to do with talent, rather experience at the most senior level …
5 Sep 2010, 19:02 pm
also, he does not seem to want to admit that there are issues after any of the losses … that irritates me
5 Sep 2010, 19:06 pm
@danuk(danuk)-68: correct, but here his employers should roll with the punches as well…they appointed a ‘token’ coach so why not give him the panel that would make him / & yourselves shine…now we sit with dumb, dumber & dumberer
5 Sep 2010, 19:10 pm
PDV needs specialist to save us
Dave Alred, Sheryl Calder,MItchell, Jones, NFL kicking coaches, Defense and offense coaches, anything, let us just think outside the box
5 Sep 2010, 19:14 pm
@JL1(JL1)-71: conditioning coach most important…pointless having all this and the players are played into the ground
5 Sep 2010, 19:16 pm
@JL1(JL1)-71: would our Super 14 team’s defensive coaches not help here? They played under the same rules?
Also it’s probably conditioning as well …
The boks at the moment reminds me of England and the lack basics they’ve shown over the last 7 odd years, however their premiership teams played ok
5 Sep 2010, 19:23 pm
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-72: Yes get Coetzee back, he was the fitness doctor from Bloem, highly rated
The other issue is that Pdiv is not a very good selector,maybe a 7 man selection panel could help, I do not know
5 Sep 2010, 19:28 pm
@danuk(danuk)-73: I aso do not believe the hype that we have such depth
Looking at the Currie cup it seems, Lambie and Elton Jantjies are the only ones worth trying
5 Sep 2010, 19:29 pm
There is no doubt there are conditioning issue with the boks.
Where is Phil Mack..
5 Sep 2010, 20:02 pm
@JL1(JL1)-75: You can add,
Lambie
Jantjies
Basson
Mvovo
Hougaard
J. de Jongh
Mapoe (when he can play again)
Alberts
Deysel
Vermuelen
Brussow
Beast
Sykes
Bismarck
Flip (though he cost us with that penalty yesterday. He is young he will learn)
Bekker is still young too will come back better
We have plenty talent.
They all under 25.
I know Frans Steyn is not really game fit, but when he is you can add him too. He is only 23 at the moment. Also the Cheetahs FB is playing great, add him too.
We lack coaches. Put our pride in our pockets and select a kiwi coach. Mitchell and Plum would do just fine. With them there we could cook red hot with those players. Those above for after wc 2011.
5 Sep 2010, 20:06 pm
@Puma(Puma)-77: Who of those are real stand outs that you would say is world class?
5 Sep 2010, 20:07 pm
@JL1(JL1)-74: Never a 7 man selection panel. Not here in SA they would just confuse it even more…….hahahaha.
We do need a conditioning coach, and a defensive coach and any really that we can think of. PdV should equip himself with all the best he can. Nothing wrong with that. BUT has to get rid of Muir and Gold.
5 Sep 2010, 20:12 pm
@JL1(JL1)-78: Was typing 4 names and looke up there again. Then thought actually all of them if they kept on playing at top level. They all need a good time at S15 and then Bok level. Not a once off but let them play together for a season. They are all class.
I also liked Louw but after seeing him with the Boks was not impressed. BUT think with better coaching he would be great. Also he needs more time at top level (International Level) So maybe him too. More game time the better you get at such a young age. NOT over played but played enough to get confidence and game time.
We have plenty talent but NO great coach coming though. Get those two kiwi coaches coach those players I mentioned above. We would have a super duper world class team. Of course we need a TH there too. Can’t think of any just yet.
5 Sep 2010, 20:19 pm
@Puma(Puma)-80: Serious?
We always say that and when they get a green jersey on then they freeze
Deysel, Alberts and Vermeulen are not world class
5 Sep 2010, 20:30 pm
@JL1(JL1)-81: JL1. They are all world class.
Remember last year we had. Potties at 6, Deysel at 7 and Vermeulen at 8 in the E.Boks against the BIL. They were awesome.
Alberts is a magnficent player he could fit in too. Such power, like a machine he is.
Anyhow just mentioned some names. They could all fit in superb with a decent coach/es
5 Sep 2010, 20:31 pm
@JL1(JL1)-81: JL1, Tell you what those players will never freeze. Deysel, Alberts, Vermeulen or Potties. They are hard, hard players that will die for the jersey. We need more of em.
5 Sep 2010, 20:38 pm
If PdV was white he would have been sacked, **** couldn’t even coach the Lions and Gary, well…….when they leave take JP, Bryan, Francios, John, Jaque, Juan and Pierre with, we need some new blood, looks like this WC will be like 2004′s John told his guys to go and have a long hard look in the mirror, John I hope you are first in that line!
5 Sep 2010, 21:02 pm
VOTE WITH YOUR FEET AND REMOTES. The Boks are off my radar until the rot is sorted out. The fans deserve better than this.
5 Sep 2010, 21:02 pm
@Barrybul(Barrybul)-84: dude, playing the race card is soooooo tired
5 Sep 2010, 21:17 pm
OH: “Peter, really man, you are not making life easy for me. I’ve got all sorts of problems and your team isn’t playing so well.”
PD: “Ja Regan, times they change and the mighty fall. Rome wasn’t built in a day but its glory shines on.”
OH: “Peter Rome was sacked, the people murdered and all the treasures were stolen.”
PD: “Ja you can say this and that you know Regan, but time waits for no man and marble statues don’t win you tests.”
OH: “Neither does picking the wrong team.”
PD: “You say this and that and sit on the comfy chairs eating the white guys food but you don’t know rugby. I am the chosen one, like Neo in the Matrix I can see things others can’t.”
OH: “So how come you didn’t see 5 thrashings in a season?”
PD: “Ja you make jokes but you can’t see the code. It’s all there and I study it, like by bible and the stars. In order to find America you have to get lost.”
OH: “America isn’t lost Peter, it’s over the sea. And the Boks were not in the wilderness, they were world and TriNations champs.”
PD: “Moses was the one who saw the burning bush and lead the way to the promised land. Call me coach Moses Regan.”
OH: “Moses led his followers to a land they have been fighting for ever since, he caused a mess and many wars.”
PD: “Ja Regan, rugby is like war, you are either in the trenches like us, or you are with the enemy. Don’t be a German Peter, be a Bok.”
5 Sep 2010, 21:21 pm
Watch them revert to type and borrow the phraseology of Jake and Rudi.
“We can take lots of positives moving forward…”
(Yeah, right!)
5 Sep 2010, 21:25 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-88: At the end of the day, the Boys really put their backs in and are hurting from this one. We don’t go out there to lose and it’s been tough. As the Senior guy not eating for 80 minutes is hard.
The fans we are sorry, we don’t play to lose, going forward we will give it our best and focus.
5 Sep 2010, 22:53 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-89: Jaaaaa…. with two ice-cubes, please. The ref cheated and we have a travel disadvantage too.
(The Great Book of Sport Cliches would have at least half its pages devoted to all the regular post-hoc Bok twaddle.)
5 Sep 2010, 22:57 pm
@XV(XV)-41: its funny isnt it… last 3 games, SA have lost two of them in the last 5 minutes..
some would argue that is a “CHOKE”.
I would agree with them…
cough cough..
5 Sep 2010, 23:43 pm
nothing new here…
Jones sticks knife in
Former Wales captain Kingsley Jones hopes
Jake White stays as coach to ensure
continued problems for the Springboks.
Jones believes that Wales have nothing to
fear in France with possible quarter-final
opponents being either England or South
Africa.
The current Sale Sharks hopes South African
rugby bosses don ’t cave in to the pressure
and sack under-fire coach Jake White after
the Boks humbling Brisbane whitewash.
“As a coach all you can do is get the best
out of players but the way they have been
playing suggests he is not, ” Jones told
Western Mail rugby writer Andy Howell.
“Sometimes you need a change of coach
because a new face can often get a bit more
out of people, and Jake has been there for a
fair time. But I hope he doesn ’t get the sack
because we don’t want that to happen. We
want South Africa’s problems to grow and
grow,” he said.
Jones is clearly out for revenge on the
Springboks after he was skipper of an
injury-decimated Wales squad which
suffered a record 96-13 defeat against the
Springboks eight years ago and he would
like nothing better than Jenkins ’ men to beat
them at the World Cup next year.
He also seems to have forgotten that the
Welsh are in a bit of strife themselves
having surrendered their Six Nations crown
and crashed to a 2-0 Test-series defeat to
Argentina last month.
“Look, it’s a good time to be playing South
Africa and England and it’s an opportunity
for Wales to have a real crack at the World
Cup. New Zealand and France are the
obvious favourites – the French are mine
because they have home advantage – but
Wales have got the players to trouble
anybody.
“We played some great rugby when we
won the Grand Slam last year. As long as we
can get and keep our best players fit, we’ve
got a great chance of making an impact
with the talent we ’ve got,” Jones added.
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18th, 2006
6 Sep 2010, 00:40 am
PdV absolutely MUST remain as coach for the Boks for at least the next 5 years. Without him, SA rugby may be in a position where they will not be in a position to blame cheaters, crooked refs, corrupt international organisations or overweight players for any loses…because they probably wont lose too many games (unless they play the AB’s of course…they should be able to keep their 40% win/loss ration against the All Blacks from dropping further)
Without PdV, SA rugby would be in danger of rising (near) to the top of world rugby, and that should be discouraged at all costs.
So, what the NZRU and ARU should be rying out loud and clear is…” we are behind PdV 100%!”
6 Sep 2010, 00:50 am
Oz and NZ don’t want an easybeat contaminating their 3N. If this goes on, SA will be told rather to shove off and play in the weak European tournament, and be replaced by Argentina.
6 Sep 2010, 01:07 am
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-72: @danuk(danuk)-73: @JL1(JL1)-74: @gunther(gunther)-76: Fully agreed !!I have been questioning our game fitness and stamina all the time. However I prefer your wording “conditioning”.We were thoroughly beaten by a better conditioned team yesterday.Every move was done at full pace and with determination.The Aussies were just much sharper than us . This is the fault of the coach primarily!Then it becomes the responsibility of his deputies and then down the ladder.
PLEASE have a look at Spies when you watch the game again. He is the typical example of someone who is either very unfit or couldn’t care a damn.He leaves tackles for the man next to him or in one incident actually jumps aside to avoid contact.NEVER did he run at full pace to cover .Two of the Aussie tries could either have been prevented or at least pushed into the corner to make the conversion kick more difficult.He doesn’t feel like playing rugby at the moment.Get him back to his province to get either rested ,sharpened or conditioned.
The same goes for others in the team including coaching staff
6 Sep 2010, 01:13 am
@mountaingoat(mountaingoat)-57: The ABs and Aus were not good enough to get through to the semi’s. We beat the teams that beat them.I really think we would have had the better of them as well.
I do not think that is a fair argument.
6 Sep 2010, 01:16 am
@rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-5: @rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-13: @rugbygenius(rugbygenius)-28: Please don’t leave this blog!You make it very entertaining.I would love to hear your comments on some of the younger players.Please indulge.
6 Sep 2010, 01:29 am
@Puma(Puma)-77:
I hear you. If you do end up getting rid of PdV, Mitchell would be a great choice.
It is, after all, about the journey.
We had our dose of crazy under Mitchell, who progressively became more and more wierd as time went on.
I would fully support the SARU if they did ditch Clown PdV and install Crazy Horse Mitchell as coach.
The two of them would have Fascinating conversations…would love to be a fly on teh wall for those.
hey, here is an idea…drop one of the other stooges (who may have a tiny bit of a clue) and bring on Mitchell…the media would love those Q&A sessions!
6 Sep 2010, 01:34 am
So what happened JC and co ? Its Monday and PDv is still there ? Another one of your open secrets farce exposed.
6 Sep 2010, 01:43 am
I am not always the optimist (when it comes to SA Rugby administration) BUT I think this is the first step in a process to get rid of PDV. You cannot sack the Bok coach and not have a suitabel replacement. Gold and Muir are not otherwise either of them would have been obvious choices. The hunt is on for a new coach but such is the absurdity of the position that there are not many candidates ready to play politics and sport at the smae time. Whilst many have been calling fro PDV, Muir and Gold’s respective heads not too many names are being mentioed as replacements.
It cannot be a foreigner – simply because a foreigner wouldn’t understand the whole political quota thing.
Could someone please list the 5 obvious candidates becuase I am struggling here?
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