Meyer realises Bok dream
27 Jan 2012
Heyneke Meyer was on Friday named coach of the Springboks.
Four years after Meyer fell victim to political engineering that installed the inferior Peter de Villiers ahead of him, the 44-year-old strode through the doors of the Sports Science Centre in Cape Town with a tense expression. Privately he is undoubtedly apprehensive about what lies ahead.
There are few more unforgiving jobs in professional sports than that of Springboks coach. But for now his enthusiasm, optimism and unrelenting work ethic has yet to be dulled.
Meyer’s task, a four-year gig that will take him through to the World Cup in England in 2015, begins in arduous fashion. He’ll have roughly a week to prepare his Springboks for a three-Test series against England in June – a vicious introduction to Test coaching if ever there was one. And this without any certainty about who his assistants will be, with his preferences tied up in contracts.
Meyer, vehemently opposed to mediocrity, will pay no mind the fact that the bar was set decidedly low by his predecessor. A Tri-Nations title and series victory against the Lions plasters over three last placed finishes in the southern hemisphere showpiece and a quarter-final exit at the 2011 World Cup. Meyer has consistently said that the Springboks need to be held to a higher standard than they were made to, particularly on home soil. Now he will experience first hand the challenges associated with achieving that goal.
‘The World Cup is important but I believe you can’t build at Springbok level in the way you can in Super Rugby. My goal is to win every single game,’ Meyer said, in contrast to his predecessors, who’ve had an intense focus on winning the World Cup.
‘I’m not being arrogant and I respect other nations, many of whom have continuity [in their playing and coaching staff]. Every single game will be very important. So the World Cup will be the cherry on the top, but you want to be number one in the world for a long time. If you put the right structures in place, the right game plan, get the ethos of the team where you want it and get the type of players that will die for their country, then the World Cup will take care of itself.’
Saru CEO Jurie Roux explained that they had head-hunted Meyer and that he was their preferred candidate. He lamented a fallout with Bulls after Meyer indicated that he would like to take up the position of Springboks coach (he was their director of rugby) but maintained that Meyer had effected the exit clause in his contract.
Meyer thanked ‘the Bulls family’ and spoke fondly of his time at the union. On the Springboks job he spoke with visible emotion.
‘It is humbling to be named as coach. It’s an honour. I realise its a huge responsibility to represent the whole of the nation. But I’m ready and looking forward to the challenge. I realise that winning is the most important thing. But I also intend to make a difference to the lives of the people of our country. I hope I achieve that.
‘I want to be a Springbok coach of the people. And I want to make the Springboks accessible to all people. I want all our supporters to be proud of the team, and what the jersey stands for. My wish is that all South Africans will join hands in the bid to make this the best team in the world.’
By Ryan Vrede
429 Comments
27 Jan 2012, 12:07 pm
Congratz, best man for the job.
27 Jan 2012, 12:09 pm
Heyneke Dragon!
4 years too late, but he’s finally here!
27 Jan 2012, 12:10 pm
SARU press release:
Heyneke Meyer appointed new Springbok coach
January 27, 2012
Heyneke Meyer will be the new Springbok coach after a Special General Meeting of the South African Rugby Union (SARU) ratified his proposed appointment in Cape Town on Friday.
The 44-year-old Blue Bulls rugby executive takes over from Peter de Villiers, who coached the Springboks from 2008 to 2011. He will take charge as head coach of the 1995 and 2007 Rugby World Cup champions for the first time against England in Durban on June 9.
Meyer said he relished the opportunity to make all South Africans proud of the Springboks.
“Having been involved with the Blue Bulls for so long, I’ve experienced first hand how passionate South African rugby supporters are,” said Meyer. “I know the importance of rugby in the South African psyche and will do everything in my power to ensure the Springboks remain among the pace setters of world rugby.
“I’m very happy to accept this enormous honour and massive responsibility,” he said.
Meyer was head coach of the Vodacom Bulls when they became the first South African team to lift the coveted Vodacom Super 14 trophy in 2007. Before that, he steered the Vodacom Blue Bulls to Absa Currie Cup titles in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006 (shared).
Meyer also has experience of coaching in the Springbok environment. He served as assistant coach to both Nick Mallett and Harry Viljoen at the Boks. He has also been a Springbok coaching candidate in the past.
“The first time I felt I still had things to achieve at the Bulls, and the second time it was decided to appoint someone else,” he said. “I’d like to thank my family and the Blue Bulls Rugby Union for their unwavering support over the past decade. I hope to keep the country’s rugby supporters united behind the Boks.”
Mr Oregan Hoskins, President of SARU, said Meyer received unanimous support from the General and the Executive Councils of SARU.
“The Springboks are SARU’s top priority,” he said. “Heyneke’s coaching pedigree is second to none in South Africa. He will be an asset to the Boks and South African rugby in general,” said Mr Hoskins.
“I’d also like thank our outgoing coach Peter de Villiers for his passion, hard work and dedication over the past four years. However, it was felt that we needed a man with a new approach and new ideas to take over one of the toughest jobs in South African sport.
“Heyneke has our full support and we know he won’t leave any stone unturned as he strives to take the Boks back to the top of international rugby.”
According to Jurie Roux, SARU CEO, Meyer’s appointment was the culmination of a thorough process during which the best candidates were evaluated as part of a head hunting process before the Exco unanimously opted to make a formal offer to Meyer.
“The Blue Bulls wished to retain his services but his contract contains an exit clause which has been exercised; very few people can resist the call when your country says it needs you,” said Roux.
“The Springboks are the heartbeat of rugby in South Africa and it was paramount to get the best possible candidate to coach the team going forward. We believe we have done that.”
Roux said decisions on Meyer’s support staff will only be taken later, in consultation with the new Springbok coach. “No appointments in this regard have been made,” he said.
27 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm
Congratulations Heineke – the right man for the job.
Please never again appoint a Bok coach on spec. He must be someone who has shown his mettle at the highest level. Some succession planning wouldn’t hurt either.
Hopefully HM will get his preferred team. The manne are out there.
27 Jan 2012, 13:00 pm
Hearing conflicting reports on whether it is a 2-year contract or a 2-year with the strong chance of renewal up to 4 years dependent on performance?
27 Jan 2012, 13:05 pm
A pity its not Nick Mallett, but am not unhappy about Meyer.
27 Jan 2012, 13:07 pm
Yes, succession planning is needed.
Much like the Keo lot needs to pay more than R20 a month for a 500kb adsl line for their website!
27 Jan 2012, 13:12 pm
All that has happened is SARU has thrown the SA rugby public a bone and told them to STFU. Behind the scenes expect lots of quota’s to be enforced. New coach same problems .
Good luck HM.
27 Jan 2012, 13:29 pm
Actually under Meyer , Habana was on top of his game. Lets hope Meyer gets these players back to heir potential. He is a well liked man in SA so hopefully he will get more co-operation with the S15 coaches for player rest periods.
Anyway all the best to Meyer.
27 Jan 2012, 13:34 pm
I like the fact that he’ll get the best, be it international or local, to help coach the team
27 Jan 2012, 13:34 pm
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
(Pete)
27 Jan 2012, 13:41 pm
The INFERIOR Pieter Divvy?
Howveryfuckingrude
27 Jan 2012, 13:44 pm
Jeez – Yes. In the same mould as White, if Meyer feels he needs international help he will go and get it!!
Everyone on rugby365 is worried about 10 man rugby but if memory serves me correctly, the Bullls score more tries than any other SA S15 team.
The Bulls also have the most players of colour, i hate that word but it is what SARU uses, so Meyer must be doing something right.
27 Jan 2012, 13:44 pm
One small step for man.. one big fk up for the country but lets not get in the way of an opportunity to display white incompetence. This is going to be fun. This twat will run out of ideas by the end of the year.
Hold tight onto that poisoned chalice Heyneke 5-year-plan Meyer. All those lights are oncoming trains
27 Jan 2012, 13:46 pm
@youknowwho-14:
You seem dissapointed
27 Jan 2012, 13:48 pm
@Dawn-12: No worries Dawn… we will see the best side of inferior in the coming year. They already had to protect HM from undue scrutiny coming into the job. Imagine what they gonna have to do during the 3N’s or is it 4N’s. They are gonna have to play Namibia 8 times to get his number up before the start of business
27 Jan 2012, 13:48 pm
@youknowwho-14: You and Hondo make a great disco pairing.
27 Jan 2012, 13:48 pm
Shut up Shaun
27 Jan 2012, 13:48 pm
Interesting that Tiaan Strauss was interviewed straight after Heyneke, not sure what that was all about, Tiaan going to play a role ???
27 Jan 2012, 13:49 pm
@youknowwho-14:
talk us through divvies ideas?
my little racist buddha.
27 Jan 2012, 13:50 pm
We not in mood.
New brooms sweep clean.
27 Jan 2012, 13:50 pm
Time to look past colour and Meyer is the best candidate, apart from Smal. SA is fortunate to have had a choice of two excellent, first-rate candidates. Meyer will serve the country well and do everyone proud.
Hopefully we can see a few Bok matches played at Orlando. How awesome would that be.
27 Jan 2012, 13:50 pm
Also no confirmation of Rassies post ??
27 Jan 2012, 13:51 pm
@justrugby-19: Like tackling a few wildbeest for fun
27 Jan 2012, 13:51 pm
justrugby – Man that was a sad sight to see Tiaan Strauss playing for the Wallas. He was actually a better player than Pienaar but not a better captian. Shame the Boks didn’t keep hold of him!
What did Tiaan Strauss have to say?
27 Jan 2012, 13:51 pm
@justrugby-23: No timescale given for the appointment of his management team
27 Jan 2012, 13:52 pm
@justrugby-19:
Is Tiaan part of the Broedebond network or not?
If not he can forget about it hey?
Twat.
27 Jan 2012, 13:53 pm
@Mr Black-15: It will be easier to support the AB’s .. No problem
Watch this twat load the Bok side with black players on the oversees leg of the 3N’s to justify a lose or claim credit for a win. He will then let his fragile white boys do the home legs where the game can get rigged… I have never been wrong
27 Jan 2012, 13:53 pm
@race of tan-25: Strauss, the LEGEND
27 Jan 2012, 13:54 pm
@youknowwho-28: Time to take your meds. Hondo and Skop can direct you.
27 Jan 2012, 13:54 pm
@race of tan-25:
It was.
There were issues between Kitch and Strauss.
Kitch made Strauss take a hiding from each member of the team for being 15min late for the bus to a morning training session before the 95 World Cup. Pienaar covers it in Rainbow Warrior.
27 Jan 2012, 13:55 pm
@youknowwho-28:
Just to clarify, are you talking about Meyers strategy or reminding us of Divvys.
Something smells funny in Stevenage.
27 Jan 2012, 13:56 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-20: His ideas was a lot like Obama’s… let the General’s and bankers decide what is best. Yep he was kak but if you watch the GOP primaries in the USA, you get an understanding of the quality of the competition.. They make Obama look awesome
27 Jan 2012, 13:58 pm
A Bully Boy in Charge of the Boks!
Hallelujah!
Boks will play 10 man rugby. It’s in the DNA of Veldites.
A ruthlessly efficient tight 5.
An adequate loose trio.
A 1st 5/8 (flyhalf) with an excelent tactical boot.
The rest of the Team may as well be Grandmothers who can tackle.
27 Jan 2012, 13:58 pm
Out where the river broke
The bloodwood and the desert oak
Holden wrecks and boiling diesels
Steam in forty five degrees
The time has come
To say fair’s fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact’s a fact
It belongs to them
Let’s give it back
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
Four wheels scare the cockatoos
From Kintore East to Yuendemu
The western desert lives and breathes
In forty five degrees
27 Jan 2012, 13:58 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-27:
You tell me, ask your broeder brothers , droll !!
27 Jan 2012, 13:59 pm
Congrats Heineke. Good luck. You need it…
27 Jan 2012, 14:00 pm
@cane-34: Like the Bulls ending as the top try scorers in the 2010 S14 comp eh
27 Jan 2012, 14:01 pm
@justrugby-36:
hey jr…
what did titan have to say…?
have often said in the past we should use tiaan in the bok set-up as he has an inside view of how aus does things…
27 Jan 2012, 14:01 pm
cane – You sound a bit worried my friend!
The Bulls usually score the most tries out of all SA S15 teams and almost won all their away games the other year.
27 Jan 2012, 14:01 pm
@Michael-30: I have never been wrong.. watch this space
@John Galt-32: I am gonna have fun rubbing it in… kom haal jou pak
Meyer’s ideas are already in decline. How great were them Bulls last year??
27 Jan 2012, 14:03 pm
2064466″>race of tan-25:
I remember telling G10 when we watched him playing for the Wallabies against the Boks at Newlands. Seeing Tiaan standing with the Aussies to their national anthem……………………………. that it ranks right up there with my worst sporting moments, hell I was upset !!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:04 pm
So the most successful bok coach of all time (Kitch) picked his Captain first (Francois) even though he was not the best player in the team?
Interesting!
Also I have read in Richard Bransons book that you pick leaders in leadership positions, not the person who is the most specialised in that specific area, cause Leaders lead and build a team which is generally far more successful that a talented expert who alienates his troops.
Well, I guess that the true professionals know a lot more than the journalists.
So those who can’t do, write?
27 Jan 2012, 14:04 pm
youknowwho #41 – Last time i checked isn’t Ludeke the coach?
27 Jan 2012, 14:04 pm
tiaan…
but titan not too far wrong…
27 Jan 2012, 14:04 pm
@Jeraldjay-35:
Great song Jerry.
You are indeed King of the Mountain.
You can call me Peter
You can call me cane……….
But call me………………………………… the king of the mountain.
27 Jan 2012, 14:05 pm
cane – what mountain is that, BROKE BACK MOUNTAIN!! bwahahaha
27 Jan 2012, 14:06 pm
@justrugby – watching any pucker SA talent in a foreign jersey upsets me. Not looking forward to seeing Baritt in a pomm jersey either
27 Jan 2012, 14:06 pm
@race of tan-44: There is this funny arrangement in rugby management.. DoR does what again??
27 Jan 2012, 14:08 pm
@youknowwho-49: isn’t there a bar you need to be thrown out of?
27 Jan 2012, 14:08 pm
@youknowwho-41:
Not sure of the point you’re trying to make.
That they had a shi t year last year because Heyneke wasnt coach? Ludeke was coach, my little brown Nataniel.
27 Jan 2012, 14:08 pm
@ufo-39:
He was just giving his opinion on the HM apointment, saying HM a great choice, alo that we have plenty of guys who could be captain, that SA now can become a major force, that HM must get who he wants as backups etc
The way he spoke seemed to suggest an involvemnet of sorts, Of course I could be missing the boat totally !! But I have to question why he was there and why was he inteviewed right after HM and ahead of Roux !!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:09 pm
Broederbond succeeded.
After much LOBBYING
We were sold so much sh*t leading up to this point. How Heyneke didnt want the job blah blah blah etc hogsh*t
LOBBYING,Politicking,Media campaign etc
And they say politics only is involved when a black candidate is appointed….
Tisk tisk
27 Jan 2012, 14:10 pm
@cane-46: Grrrrrreat song that.
27 Jan 2012, 14:10 pm
@youknowwho-41: Uh huh. Dream on. Mud Island has clouded your judgment and there is snow on the way.
27 Jan 2012, 14:10 pm
@cane-46:
Yeah Cane, great song.
You’ll be happy to know that one of my all-time favourite bands are from NZ….
Crowded House.
27 Jan 2012, 14:11 pm
@trupisero-50: Hows your mamma
27 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
@youknowwho-57: The same as your daddy
27 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
@BULLET-48:
True ……………………………but for meTiaan empitomised everything good about Bok rugby !!! UFO used the right word, he was a Titan !!
27 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
@mshiniwami-53:
Ok, now tell us how you really feel?
From a pure rugby perspective, Are you happy with this appointment or not?
27 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
@53,
Show me 1 government owned function in the country that’s not politically influenced? Crikey, even privately owned business does not get a fair shot at things like tenders unlrss the government is on the take.
27 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
@mshiniwami-53: nope, when someone is appointed despite there being better candidates
27 Jan 2012, 14:13 pm
@John Galt-51: DoR makes the tea??.. cleans the dressing room??
27 Jan 2012, 14:14 pm
@mshiniwami-53:
SSSHHHHHHH
You will upset Gunther , he lives in denial, don’t spoil his weekend !!
27 Jan 2012, 14:14 pm
Interesting point. Whe Mallet coached the babas in 2010 , they beat the All Blacks for the first time in a long time and Habs scored a hatrick. I wonder if Meyer could have done the same?
27 Jan 2012, 14:14 pm
@Michael-58: My father passed away a year ago.. but you would not know that so apologies accepted.
27 Jan 2012, 14:15 pm
@youknowwho-57: good, she wants to know when you are going to weed the flowerbeds again.
27 Jan 2012, 14:16 pm
@cane-11: Cane you sound a bit like George W,
There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pauses] — shame on you. Fool me — [pauses] — You can’t get fooled again.
27 Jan 2012, 14:17 pm
@justrugby-52:
didn’t see it but i think i’d have jumped to the same conclusion…
yeah… my favorite bok of all time is tiaan… as you say… epitomized the best of what it is to be a bok…
would be awesome to have him involved…
27 Jan 2012, 14:17 pm
John Galt. Shaun has no point. You don’t get to be that round without steering well clear of anything with a point.
27 Jan 2012, 14:17 pm
@mshiniwami-53: The shortlist was kept secret because they did not want the other candidates besides PDV to be exposed to the media…. or people like you and me. Lets have some fun with these imbeciles
27 Jan 2012, 14:17 pm
@mshiniwami-53: the broederbond?
seriously?
its comments like that that make certain segments of the white population wonder why they should give a toss about certain “feelings” the black population have decided to carry around like a designer handbag.
all that angst about a coach?
seriously?
so go ahead, tell us who would have been better then bud?
27 Jan 2012, 14:17 pm
@youknowwho-66: Ouch. My apologies anyways……. Sorry
27 Jan 2012, 14:18 pm
@65,
Great point. Remember when HM won the super 15 in 2007 with Habana scoring more tries that season than any other player. I wonder if Mallet could have done the same?
27 Jan 2012, 14:18 pm
@mshiniwami-53:
where’s your evidence..?…
stretching methinks….
27 Jan 2012, 14:19 pm
@rangerman – ignore the clown. A rationale debate requires no emotion. You will not get that from people who are carrying emotional baggage.
27 Jan 2012, 14:20 pm
@BuckT-68: and like Dubya, we misunderestimated Divvy
27 Jan 2012, 14:20 pm
Meyer will have to organise some prelim training sessions for Bok groups during the Super comp or he stands no chance against England.
27 Jan 2012, 14:21 pm
@BULLET-48:
Rathbone was the worst imo
27 Jan 2012, 14:22 pm
@79 – hmmm, that was hurtful, especially after we watched him lift the u21 trophy as skipper.
27 Jan 2012, 14:22 pm
Michael #78 – Expect to see the core of last years RWC team, Mayer has not choice!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:22 pm
@trupisero-67: Why would you think that I do gardening… enlighten us. Do you think that all people in Stevenage are gardeners… I got news for you young man. Some of us hire grounds maintenance companies to cleanup
27 Jan 2012, 14:23 pm
@81 – Beast, Bissy, Jannie, Schalk, Spies, Steyn, JDV, Habana, Pieterson, F Steyn, Lambie will all be there. They are all still good players who HM rates.
27 Jan 2012, 14:24 pm
@ufo-69:
Hi ufo.
So Tiaan is your favourite Bok of all time. That’s quite a bold statement.
27 Jan 2012, 14:25 pm
@John Galt-60:
That is really how I feel.
In addition:
Heyneke Meyer has the job,congrats to him.Now we can finally see what he can do. In the multi-faceted environment of international coaching especially in SA-his abilities will truly be tested unlike to the protected Laager/wagons of Loftus Versfeld. he has also been out of coaching for nearly 3 years.(the frontlines).But hey his record speaks for itself in the early 2000′s.
Game on.
27 Jan 2012, 14:25 pm
@84 – not at all bold.
He never said best bok player of all time.
27 Jan 2012, 14:25 pm
@BULLET-76: ag mshini is an awesome guy but that broederbond comment is such utter bs it defies belief.
@youknowwho-82: everyone knows you are actually a caddy.
ok well done meer, i am out have a good weekend all.
27 Jan 2012, 14:26 pm
@rangerman-72: YOu never gave a toss before so what is different.. drop the sham. Guilty until proven innocent
27 Jan 2012, 14:26 pm
@85,
Why did not not just say that in the first place?
Who would you have preferred as coach?
27 Jan 2012, 14:27 pm
@youknowwho-33:
Stop talking out your arse.
If you compare Divot to Obama one more time I will send someone to Stevenage to poison all the Kebab shops.
27 Jan 2012, 14:28 pm
@youknowwho-88:
i pronounce you guilty of a loser complex.
guilty boy.
27 Jan 2012, 14:30 pm
@mshiniwami-85:
I detect a tone fo challenge in that mail. Like you’re going to be the first person to jump on his case if he fails.
Im surprised that a rugby man like yourself isnt more pleased that finally we have one of the, if not THE best coach in SA, coaching us.
Who would have been top of your list to take the reigns?
27 Jan 2012, 14:31 pm
@youknowwho-82: so you’re a “maintenance company” now? I know the Brits love titles, but that is a bit over the top for a gardener
27 Jan 2012, 14:31 pm
@ufo-69: no-one could tackle a wildebeest like he could!
27 Jan 2012, 14:32 pm
@race of tan-81: It is how Meyer tweaks the team and coaches that will count.
27 Jan 2012, 14:32 pm
**** !!, I go away from this site, come back and the same racist retards are still here, still not seeing their white comforts!!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:33 pm
@Jeraldjay-84:
hehehe…
it’s not a bold statement at all…
it is a fact that he is my favourite bok of all time…
make a bold statement and tell us who yours is…
27 Jan 2012, 14:34 pm
@BULLET-86:
thank you bullet… not too complex hey…?
27 Jan 2012, 14:35 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-75: @rangerman-72:
Mate just have a look at the whole process from 2011 till now. The horsesh*t one was fed regarding the Bok job,candidates not wanting job,Heyneke being locked in DOR contract,Rassie the same sh*t…Now all of a sudden “voila” we are all available….all in one coaching team too…1 package.. GTFOHWTBS
All too convenient
Designer handbag or not….
27 Jan 2012, 14:35 pm
@mshiniwami-53:
come now son.
stop being embraboer.
I expect this sort of stuff from a twat like just rugby.
but not from you. stick to what you know,
you clearly don’t understand the dynamic.
27 Jan 2012, 14:35 pm
@John Galt-92: What made Heyneke Meyer a success after his earlier failures at the Bulls, he was fired after having not won a single Super 12 game. What change?
27 Jan 2012, 14:35 pm
On a purely selfish note i am very dissapointed that HM has left the bulls i think he would have built another bulls dynasty,and without him at loftus now who knows what will happen,the future of bulls rugby will not be the same without him.
27 Jan 2012, 14:36 pm
@youknowwho-88:
Was your father reading this blog at the time of his demise?
27 Jan 2012, 14:37 pm
@BuckT-94:
exactly… and off a motorbike to boot…!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:38 pm
@XhosaKid-96:
and you are still singing the same loser song.
well done on that….
27 Jan 2012, 14:39 pm
@rangerman-91: I never lose. How long have you been posting comments here?? You should know
@the artist formerly known as gunther-90: Obama is a complete disappointment and then he tries to make his name further gat by going to war with Iran when the Americans cant even deal with men in sandals in Afganistan. Anything to win an election I suppose. PDV prostitued himself and deserves to be called a cheap Ho…He could have redeemed himself though but then he gets Gavin Rich to do his book.
SARU have shown their true colours. Nice to know that I was always right.
27 Jan 2012, 14:39 pm
@XhosaKid-101:
In short he started winning!!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:40 pm
@youknowwho-82: do you live in Stevenage or Letchworth south? you are the missing link, good-bye
27 Jan 2012, 14:41 pm
@blueboy-102:
no, heyneke will lend an ear to ludeke and give advice and guidance where needed.
he should take the challenge just for the ffuck of it…coach the boks and the bulls to titles at the same time…
27 Jan 2012, 14:42 pm
@John Galt-92:
A part of me is fully behind the Boks & Meyer.I want them to do well and if he can deliver that so be it.
But there is also a part of me than has seen how media,rugby fans,bloggers have treated Div for last 4 years-even before a game was played…open secrets,*** in car park etc and that part made me change my perception a wee bit on “just rugby”and love for it only.
27 Jan 2012, 14:42 pm
@trupisero-93: FM service provider
27 Jan 2012, 14:43 pm
Feeling positive.
But –
By all means, court the likes of Steenkamp, Fourie Du Preez and Jacques Fourie (if both are still hungry), Frans Steyn and possibly Flouw and Daniesaurus.
Let Matfield mastermind lineouts, but allow him to hold onto his intergrity by keeping him off the playing field.
Let Spies work harder for a starting berth (he’d be better employed off the bench at this point).
See and refine the talent at 10 beyond Morne Steyn.
Accept that Derick Hougaard is no longer a wonder kid.
And don’t let Wynand Olivier wear the Bok 12 jersey unless Frans Steyn, JDV and JDJ are all injured.
And even then you could potentially look at Francois Venter or Paul Jordaan before settling on Meisiekind.
Leave Deon Stegmann wearing blue.
Oh, and seriously consider employing Eddie Jones, David Campese or Todd Louden as your backline coach.
One more thing… WIN!
I’m not asking for much, am I?
27 Jan 2012, 14:44 pm
seriously mshini, you have shamed yourself with that broederbond line bud.
who were you expecting to coach the boks? Shaft?
some white peoplehave skills bud, they also have a right to use them in their chosen profession, they also have a right to lead organisations.
i suggest we all step away from the keyboard for a while and take stock.
@youknowwho-106: a loser always feels like the world is against him.
you are a loser shaun.no amount of bravado will change this.
only an rdp of your mind can save you son
27 Jan 2012, 14:44 pm
@ufo-97:
Fair comment. Tiaan is your favourite and you entitled to your own opinion.
Gerrie Germishuys.
27 Jan 2012, 14:45 pm
@BuckT-108: Your best shot??
27 Jan 2012, 14:45 pm
@youknowwho-106:
You sound like a fool commenting on international relations. Rather hush.
27 Jan 2012, 14:46 pm
@youknowwho-111: floral maintenance?
27 Jan 2012, 14:47 pm
@XhosaKid-101:
Dont be so ignorant.
How do you measure success?
You do realise that over this exact period he won 3 Currie Cups on the trot. 2002, 2003 and 2004.
Unsuccessful? I think not.
27 Jan 2012, 14:47 pm
@youknowwho-106:
he went to war with Iran?
what did I miss?
you are dumber than you look .
27 Jan 2012, 14:48 pm
@Jeraldjay-114:
why, thank you jeraldjay…!!
cool bud…
yeah… i enjoyed gerrie too…
27 Jan 2012, 14:48 pm
@rangerman-113: You are struggling there mate… Let it go. Remember, while I don’t know your real name, you are a big fkall
27 Jan 2012, 14:49 pm
@rangerman-113:
Shaft? Nah.
Rather Jules from Pulp Fiction.
Then the Boks can all get BAD MOFO’S printed on their shirts.
27 Jan 2012, 14:50 pm
Anyway… to those of you who wanted to see the backside of Morne Steyn – introduction of Pat Lambie and Elton Jantjies at 10… think again.
Heyneke saying he wants to play more expansively only means he will work with Morne Steyn on his decision making in different parts of the field. He’s not going to give up the monster boot… or not select his favorites from Pretoria.
Jantjies doesn’t play Heyneke Meyer type rugby. Forget about it. The unpredictable wouldn’t cut it at 10. (I don’t personally think Jantjies is a test level flyhalf, or ever will be… but point is anyone who was hoping for his selection can give up)
And Lambie hasn’t got the boot to play 10 under Heyneke either. Sorry chaps.
I’m hoping Johan Goosen breaks out. Only guy who will compete with Morne Steyn under Heyneke.
27 Jan 2012, 14:50 pm
@rangerman-113:
Why has he shamed himself, SA rugby history is littered with broederbond involvement, why would his comment be shameful ??
27 Jan 2012, 14:51 pm
Its funny how when the Bok Coach is appointed all the maggots come out of the woodwork.
Full of unsubstantiated rumours and innuendo.
The very thing they all squealed like little bacons about when divvie was in charge.
27 Jan 2012, 14:51 pm
@ufo-120:
My favourite Province player is/was Faffa Knoetze.
27 Jan 2012, 14:53 pm
@hendrikp-123:
I can live with Steyn (with some refining) and Goosen at 10, and Lambie and Taute at 15 (with Aplon – 14 – and Frans Steyn – 12 – covering fullback if necessary).
27 Jan 2012, 14:54 pm
@youknowwho-111:
Brick Counter.
Don’t lie.
@youknowwho-106:
Langers the last time you were right about anything was when you decided to have a vasectomy.
@justrugby-124:
please tell us about the Broederbond invlovement in Rugby in recent years.
put your hand bag down and give us some spice.
27 Jan 2012, 14:54 pm
Michael du Plessis.
End of.
27 Jan 2012, 14:55 pm
Meyer – inspiration
Matfield – timber
Erasmus – kop
Nienaber – brick wall
Campese – swerve
27 Jan 2012, 14:55 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-119: Yep he did.. they killed a few scientist so far and they set up the Syrian free army to create an entry point. Supposed dissident groups have always been armed by the Americans in Iraq but the Iraqi’s have told them to Fkoff… Remember how they Saddam to try an invade Iran and when that did not work, they got rid of Saddam… It been going on for the best part of 20 years… where have you been.
27 Jan 2012, 14:55 pm
Come on guys !!!!! we wanted a good coach, a guy that has proven himself and that is what we got.
27 Jan 2012, 14:56 pm
Finally a coach chosen on merit and proven track-record! Folks, if you are not happy with that, nothing will! To all those that are claiming bias towards the Bulls in selection, just remember that Heyneke hat to build a team from guys playing elsewere. He brought Victor from Griquas, Anton Leonard from SWD, JP Nel from WP, Guthro from Cheetahs, Derick & Francios Hougaard from WP, Habana from Lions etc. Heyneke will build a team that we can be proud of, on and off the field. He did it with the Bulls, he’ll do it with the Bokke.
27 Jan 2012, 14:56 pm
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27 Jan 2012, 14:56 pm
@Dawn-129:
Dawn I must say, you do know the game.
27 Jan 2012, 14:56 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-128:
As recent as 2007
As recent as 2007 :
The Springboks arrived in Paris this week with a fair shot at reaching the final on October 20. Yet, despite a 12-year hiatus since its last victory, the team does not look very different today than it did right after apartheid’s collapse. In a country where black people make up 80% of the population, the 30-man rugby squad includes only six players of color — only one more than it had fielded in the 2003 World Cup in Australia, where a white Springbok player notoriously refused to room with a black teammate. Zola Yeye, who last year became the first black team manager in the Springboks’ 101-year history, says the team’s racial makeup is an “indictment” of South African rugby, and a product of “a lot of resistance” to integration.
That fact is deeply uncomfortable for a country whose white population treats rugby with the almost religious reverence that Brazilians reserve for soccer. For years, the national rugby system was tightly interwoven with the institutions of apartheid, its players and administrators nurtured in the same educational institutions from which the regime recruited its leaders. The Afrikaner Broederbond (Brotherhood), a secretive formally structured power elite that ran the country’s key institutions helped choose Springbok rugby captains, just as they chose military commanders and prime ministers. “Rugby was always seen as apartheid at play,” said Andy Colquhoun, a leading South African rugby commentator, in Paris this week. Even now, he adds, “it is a crucial part of the white psyche. It is South Africa.” Or, at least, white South Africa.
Pull your head out of the sand !!!
27 Jan 2012, 14:57 pm
@jondood-107: How did he get the job back after being such a disaster first?, that’s my question.
27 Jan 2012, 14:58 pm
@Jeraldjay-126:
yeah… faffa was also a fantastic player and i liked him a lot too… heck of a centre…
remember when the we had that ‘world 15′ team that played in aus…? and they selected various saffa players… and the aussies gave a list of names of players they wanted and they put ‘knoetze’ on the list… and louis luyt sent them martin (i think) knoetze from transvaal…? who apparently got off the plane in aus and was asked “who the heck are you…?”
not sure if it’s a true story but word at the time was that the wrong knoetze went to aus…
27 Jan 2012, 14:58 pm
@John Galt-118: How many managers would have been given an opportunity to manager after such a k@k record?
27 Jan 2012, 14:59 pm
@Beast-133:
Yes, he’ll be happy selecting players from all around South Africa… as long as they play their provincial rugby at the Bulls.
27 Jan 2012, 15:00 pm
@hendrikp-123:
huh..?.. morne steyn is the incumbent springbok flyhalf..?..
he wasn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
elton, goosen and maybe lambie must fight for the right to be his understudy, thats their ceiling untill he gets injured, leaves the country, does a ‘ruan pienaar’ or retires from the game early…like barry john…
27 Jan 2012, 15:00 pm
I personally would not have picked HM, but I liked the way he conducted himself and what he had to say at the announcement, if he can counter “influences” , I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
There can be no doubt he is an astute coach both technically and from a man management perspective !!
27 Jan 2012, 15:01 pm
@justrugby-136:
You ****.
Where does it say the Broederbond was currently active in SA Rugby?
Does Regan attend the meetings in his pillowcase?
Give me evidence of the Broederbonds active participation in SA Rugby in recent years>
Pathetic.
27 Jan 2012, 15:02 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-128: WTF do you know.. How long has it been since you’ve done anything usefull… brushing the poodle does not count. I hear you letting the b itch do tricks
27 Jan 2012, 15:02 pm
What a great day for Bok rugby … maybe I’ll start supporting them 100% …. no more clowns to deal with.
To me the cherry on top is that Ludeke will be left wuthout adult supervision
27 Jan 2012, 15:02 pm
@XhosaKid-139:
I see my comment of not being ignorant was completely ignored by you.
Oh the irony.
27 Jan 2012, 15:03 pm
I really do wonder what:
Gurthro Steenkamp
Bakkies Botha
Danie Rossouw
Victor Matfield
Fourie Du Preez
Derick Hougaard
Wynand Olivier
Bryan Habana
Zane Kirchner
Are thinking right now…
27 Jan 2012, 15:03 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-143:
fark off you naive pr ick, go do your own research !!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:05 pm
@mshiniwami-99:
i just dont know what to say really.
it seems uncharacteristic of you, from what i know of you in your previous posts.
27 Jan 2012, 15:07 pm
@justrugby-148:
No **** you you ignorant piece of ****.
Don’t come here and start mouthing of like a little rent boy (as usual) and then when asked to provide evience as to your claims you tell someone to do there own research.
Pathetic behavoiur but not unexpected from a blowhard like you.
When is just being a SAFFA ever going to be enough.
Sniff sniff.
Cry me a river you little *****.
27 Jan 2012, 15:07 pm
That last paragraph Mr.Meyer might as well have been written on a piece of toilet paper.You have your Afrikaner support,so that should suffice I would say.We might be seeing a few more All Black jerseys at Newlands with this appointment.
27 Jan 2012, 15:10 pm
A quality new coach no doubts
But HM arrived on the scene two years too ealy, with a 5 quota players in the Test line up he won’t get too far, rather coming on later to save the boat on his own terms.
I am gonna miss PdV the entertainer, but with Aplon, Habana, the Beast and Chiliboi all in the mix there will not be any shortage of hilarious moments
27 Jan 2012, 15:10 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-150:
Farken naive cnut you a broederbond benfactor ??
Farken idiot !!
27 Jan 2012, 15:11 pm
@Treehugger-132: Proven track record??.. He has never been in charge of a springbok team. He has no track record
@Beast-133: What track record.. what is overall win ratio as a bulls coach compared to AC as the stormers and WP coach. Remember those lean years… they also count.. and so does last year even if he was DoR. Did he coach any team last year??
27 Jan 2012, 15:13 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-151:
wonderfully constructive comment.
nice to have enlightened chaps like you joining the blog
27 Jan 2012, 15:14 pm
Got to go but will catch up later… moenie skinner nie
27 Jan 2012, 15:14 pm
@justrugby-153:
let me guess…
you were captain of your school debating team…right?
27 Jan 2012, 15:14 pm
@justrugby-153:
Isn’t that your usual little lament?
Put up or shut up.
You fake.
27 Jan 2012, 15:17 pm
@charo-157:
Yawn !!
27 Jan 2012, 15:18 pm
@John Galt-146: Look again, I didn’t ignore it, just don’t feel like trading insults, would you care to answer the question.
27 Jan 2012, 15:19 pm
@charo-157:
Cheerleading Squad.
27 Jan 2012, 15:20 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-143: can you give evidence of Broederbond activity in the past?
27 Jan 2012, 15:22 pm
@XhosaKid-137:
I do not have that answer.
@youknowwho-154:
You can not compare AC to HM.
The one has won trophies the other…………
27 Jan 2012, 15:23 pm
Listen I am telling you it is an undeniable fact that the broederbond has influenced SA rugby since its beginings (why would they now no longer try and influence??), if you believe that they no longer do so, that is your naive opinion, its easy to be a denialist when it suits you , if you think I am wrong ,YOU prove me wrong and tell me with evidence that there is no influence from them !!
Till then stfu
27 Jan 2012, 15:23 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-151:
Nothing new there.
We don’t need you and your spineless ilk!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:24 pm
@XhosaKid-162:
simply google SA rugby and the broerbond !!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:24 pm
@XhosaKid-162:
are we proving a false positive here?
Just Buggery tells us that the Broederbond Controls SA Rugby.
in what ways?
tell me how Meyer is more susceptible to the Broederbond than say Mallet or White or Ian Mac or Kitch Christie or even Divot.
Or is it just because he comes from Pretoria?
27 Jan 2012, 15:24 pm
@justrugby-164:
Yes, we could see their influence on the appointment of PDiv.
You smart lad you!!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:25 pm
@justrugby-166:
brorbond = broederbond !!
27 Jan 2012, 15:26 pm
@mshiniwami-99:
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-149:
no, on second thoughts please ignore my comment in post #149, i mean nothing by it. you have a view and that is fine. i dont think its true but accept that at worst there may or may not be a little truth to it.
27 Jan 2012, 15:27 pm
I‘m 100% sure the Catholic Church controls SANZAR. I had a secret numeric code, which I’ve just misplaced, that spells it all out in chilling detail.
27 Jan 2012, 15:29 pm
@justrugby-164:
Did the aliens probe you too?
Don’t come here and sprout your braaiside conspiracy theories and then cry like the ***** you are when asked to back them up.
I ask you again googleboy.
Tell us what you got.
I supect nothing as usual.
Blowhard.
27 Jan 2012, 15:30 pm
@>^..^< katman-171:
the de villiers code?
27 Jan 2012, 15:30 pm
Maak die Bulle almal Bokke!
27 Jan 2012, 15:32 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-172:
Easy way out mighty mouse !!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:32 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-173: That’s the one. The De Villiers Code. It will open your fkken eyes, I swear.
27 Jan 2012, 15:32 pm
BSc in Political Engineering?
Wonder if Matieland offers this course?
27 Jan 2012, 15:33 pm
Well said mighty horua #174 i totally agree with you,MAAK DIE BULLE ALMAL BOKKE.
27 Jan 2012, 15:33 pm
sheesh…
i can just feel all the love…
give’s me that warm fuzzy feeling….
27 Jan 2012, 15:34 pm
On a separate note, it seems Capo’s found himself a new login.
Oh and congrats to HM. I see Keo’s been in regular contact with you all week.
I know a good attorney if you like. He’ll have that restraining order through in no time.
Although, at the moment he’s probably all complimentary,
But things change.
Don’t say i didn’t warn you…
27 Jan 2012, 15:35 pm
I’m surprised Meyer didn’t mention in the interview how he’s going to move Habana and Alberts up to the Bulls. He wants the whole Bok squad to play together.
27 Jan 2012, 15:36 pm
@>^..^< katman-171:
do you read it through verkykers made from the bottoms of caslte bottles?
27 Jan 2012, 15:37 pm
So really if the Broederbond is so pervasive we could pick Jono Somo as coach and it wouldn’t matter because the Bond would decide on the selection and the tactics.
And the captain too no?
And what music the team listens to on the bus?
But this is much worse though because Meyer is ESPECIALLY Broenderbondish because he is Afrikaans and wait for it …. born in Pretoria.
27 Jan 2012, 15:37 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-173:
lmao
27 Jan 2012, 15:38 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-182: I believe you do. Do you have this code in your possession?
27 Jan 2012, 15:42 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-183:
You are not just stupid but farken childish to !!
27 Jan 2012, 15:42 pm
The ANC need to take a long hard look at themselves tonight.Under their watch rugby has regressed back into the Pretoria Broederbond control laager.Black Nationalism will proceed without you Mr.Zuma if you continue on this path of Afrikaner a rse-licking.
27 Jan 2012, 15:42 pm
Brain Damage
The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
I’ll see you on the dark side of the moon
The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me ’till I’m sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There’s someone in my head but it’s not me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you’re in starts playing different tunes
I’ll see you on the dark side of the moon
“I can’t think of anything to say except…
I think it’s marvellous! HaHaHa!”
27 Jan 2012, 15:43 pm
@>^..^< katman-185:
no, i dont
but i have been searching for it.
i do have the verkykers though… and they reveal much, i tell you… the world is not what you think it is…
27 Jan 2012, 15:45 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-187: Your people were given rugby for 4 whole years, and they buried it under a bucket, ashamed that someone may see. It’s now the second half of that parable. Take your hiding and be gone.
27 Jan 2012, 15:45 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-183: The Broederbond made some k@k selections the last couple of years. I hope this one works out better …
27 Jan 2012, 15:46 pm
@justrugby-186:
That’s rich.
Give us something you pathetic excuse for a human being.
You can’t even tell me why meyer is especially going to be influenced by the Broederbond.
By the way who was your choice hey Big Talk?
Why don’t you borrow someone elses balls and give it a crack.
Or shut up and crawl away maggot.
27 Jan 2012, 15:47 pm
Is the broederbond kop in een mus with the Freemasons?
27 Jan 2012, 15:47 pm
Seems kindergarden is out, so time to start getting ready for Newlands and surround myself with proper rugby folk !!
27 Jan 2012, 15:47 pm
@ufo-188:
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then the one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it’s sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but you’re older
And shorter of breath and one day closer to death
Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desparation in the English way
The time is gone the song is over, thought I’d something more to say
27 Jan 2012, 15:50 pm
@justrugby-194:
Indeed.
Your such a kenner as you keep reminding us.
I call bullshit.
Coward to boot.
27 Jan 2012, 15:50 pm
justrugby @ 164
you mean that you want evidence that there are no evidence that “they” are influencing rugby?
o, and goodafternoon everyone!
to the journalists on this site … well done, since i’ve last been here you’re articles and the way its written became a lot better … i’ve even started buying sarugby mag again!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:51 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-183: are you denying the existence of the Broederbond or denying its involvement in rugby matters
27 Jan 2012, 15:52 pm
Now warning lights are flashing down at Quality Control
Somebody threw a spanner, they threw him in the hole
There’s rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town
Somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down
There’s a meeting in the boardroom, they’re trying to trace the smell
There’s a leakin’ in the washroom, there’s a sneakin’ personnel
Somewhere in the corridors someone was heard to sneeze
Goodness me, could this be industrial disease ?’
Caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
Refusing to be pacified, it’s him they blame the most
Watchdog’s got rabies, the foreman got the fleas
Everyone’s concerned about industrial disease
There’s panic on the switchboard, tongue is in knots
Some come out in sympathy, some come out in spots
Some blame the management, some the employees
Everybody knows it’s the industrial disease
Yeah, now the work force is disgusted down tools and walks
Innocence is injured, experience just talks
Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
That these are classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze
On ITV and BBC they talk about the curse
Philosophy is useless, theology is worse
History boils over, there’s an Economics freeze
Sociologists invent words that mean industrial disease
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/d/dire-straits-lyrics/industrial-disease-lyrics.html
Doctor Parkinson declared, “I’m not surprised to see you here
You’ve got smokers cough from smoking
Brewer’s droop from drinking beer
I don’t know how you came to get the Bette Davis wheeze
But worst of all young man you’ve got industrial disease”
He wrote me a prescription he said, “You are depressed
I’m glad you came to see me to get this off your chest
Come back and see me later, next patient please
Send in another victim of industrial disease”
And I go down to speaker’s corner, I’m a thunderstruck
They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks
Two men say they’re *****, one of them must be wrong
There’s a protest singer, he’s singing a protest song, he says
They wanna have a war to keep their factories
They wanna have a war to keep us on our knees
They wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese
They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease
They’re pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
They wanna sap your energy, incarcerate your mind
Give you Rule Brittania, gassy beer, page three
Two weeks in Espania and Sunday striptease
Meanwhile the first ***** says, “I’ll cure it soon
Abolish Monday mornings and Friday afternoons”
The other one’s out on hunger strike, he’s dying by degrees
How come ***** gets industrial disease?
27 Jan 2012, 15:52 pm
@>^..^< katman-195:
hehehe…
Hello?
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone at home?
Come on, now
I hear you’re feeling down
Well I can ease your pain
Get you on your feet again
Relax
I’ll need some information first
Just the basic facts
Can you show me where it hurts?
There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon
You are the only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying
When I was a child I had a fever
My hands felt just like two balloons
Now I’ve got that feeling once again
I can’t explain you would not understand
This is not how I am
I have become comfortably numb
I have become comfortably numb
Okay
Just a little pinprick
There’ll be no more
But you may feel a little sick
Can you stand up?
I do believe it’s working good
That’ll keep you going through the show
Come on it’s time to go
There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon
You are the only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown the dream is gone
I have become comfortably numb
27 Jan 2012, 15:52 pm
This is a serious question now, does anybody have Proof that the Broederbond is up and running?
27 Jan 2012, 15:53 pm
@JA-JA-193:
no, not reallly. just a little.
the masons have ‘limp wristed’ handshakes and like to play naked games with each other.
but sometimes there is a overlap of shared self interest.
27 Jan 2012, 15:53 pm
Just to be clear I think that ship sunk a long time ago.
27 Jan 2012, 15:54 pm
# 202
27 Jan 2012, 15:55 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-192:
You are a joke, nothing more nothing less…………….. just a big farken joke !!!
Boswell’ ‘s cirus is coming to townand they are looking for recruits , send you CV !!
Check the list of BB members……………………….. if Boswell is on it you are in……guaranteed !!!
27 Jan 2012, 15:56 pm
@stormersboy-199:
They wanna get a statement for ***** sake
It’s like talking to the wall
He’s incommunicado no comment to make
He’s saying nothing at all
But in the communique you know he’s gonna come clean
Think what he say, say what he mean
Maybe on Monday he got something to say
Communication
Communique
Communique
Maybe he could talk about the tricks of the trade
Maybe he could talk about himself
Maybe he could talk about the money that he made
Maybe he’d be saying something else
But in the communique you know he’s gonna come clean
Think what he say, say what he mean
Maybe on Monday he got something to say
Communication
Communique
Communique
And now the rumors are flying
Speculation rising
Say that he’s been trying someone else’s wife
Somebody at the airport
Somebody on the phone
Says he’s at the station and he’s coming on the noon
Then we get the story a serious breeze
And a photograph taken in the hall
You don’t have to worry with the previous release
Right now, he’s saying nothing at all
But in the communique you know he’s gonna come clean
Think what he say, say what he mean
Maybe on Monday he got something to say
Communication
Communique
Communique
27 Jan 2012, 15:56 pm
@XhosaKid-198:
I want to know about how it pulls the Strings in modern Rugby.
And why Meyer being the coach is a a broederbond decision.
And moreover why Meyer is going to be so susceptible to their influence compared to other coaches.
I also want to know if Regan is a member.
And if Divvie is an honorary member or a full member.
27 Jan 2012, 15:59 pm
@ufo-206: Nice. I prefer the irreverant confusion of Industrial disease for this thread.
The lunacy of it all is more appropriate.
27 Jan 2012, 16:02 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-207: Divvy’s a country member.
You remember right?
27 Jan 2012, 16:02 pm
Oh brother. The white racists came out of the woodwork on the appointment of PdV, like Hondo et al. Now idiots like Seun et al are popping up complaining because the best person for the job happens to be white and was appointed.
27 Jan 2012, 16:03 pm
@stormersboy-208:
absolutely bud…
threads like this prove to me that the lunatics aren’t only in my head…
27 Jan 2012, 16:05 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-207: 1. They pull the strings just like the have been doing since Apartheid, unless you don’t believe the Broederbond exists
2. Whether Meyer is or isn’t their decision is immaterial, PDV could have been their decision for purposes known to them
3. No more no less susceptible than any other coach for as long as the current structure is in place
the other two questions you can answer them yourself
27 Jan 2012, 16:05 pm
@Michael-210:
hehehe michael…
was just thinking it looks like everyone has cut everyone else’s comments from four years ago…
and are pasting them back to each other…!!
27 Jan 2012, 16:07 pm
So what if the Boks get a 85% winning ratio with Heyneke, is it going to be said that the BB pay off the other Nations to loose or ordered them to drop the games?
27 Jan 2012, 16:10 pm
what is going on here? i leave for an afternoon and all of a sudden all hell breaks loose?
who are the lunatics?
27 Jan 2012, 16:10 pm
@ufo-213: Like bloody mirror images of idiocy.
27 Jan 2012, 16:11 pm
@JA-JA-214: Honestly, as long as the Boks win, I don’t care, I’m not the inverse of white racists.
27 Jan 2012, 16:11 pm
@stormersboy-209:
Indeed.
How silly as a member myself according to Just Kenner.
Despite the fact that I can’t speak afrikaans.
(apart from the rude bits)
27 Jan 2012, 16:12 pm
@Transformation-215: There’s a Kings thread. If you hurry you can still catch some action on there.
Although it may already have fizzled out.
27 Jan 2012, 16:14 pm
Off to Newlands… leave you all with…
Us and them
And after all we’re only ordinary men
Me, and you
God only knows it’s not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
and the General sat, and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up and Down
And in the end it’s only round and round and round
Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There’s room for you inside
Down and Out
It can’t be helped but there’s a lot of it about
With, without
And who’ll deny it’s what the fighting’s all about
Out of the way, it’s a busy day
I’ve got things on my mind
For want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died
27 Jan 2012, 16:15 pm
219
lol
27 Jan 2012, 16:17 pm
@XhosaKid-212:
thanks for not answering my question at all.
so the Broederbond operates in exactly the same way as the tokoloshe?
we know it’s there because it used to be there but when don’t know how it works or why we should worry about it.
I am going to tell Hoskins to put his bed oon bricks immediately.
In fact they maybe reading this now.
I’d bett…………………………………………
27 Jan 2012, 16:17 pm
@Michael-216:
yip… but we don’t look into those sorts of mirrors… too ugly for words…
@Transformation-215:
they’re the guys on the grass…!
27 Jan 2012, 16:20 pm
The Klan still exist and exert their power in the deep south of America,so why should we believe this Gunther character that the Broederbond doesn’t have any influence on South African rugby ?I belong to a political entity that believe that the influence of the white race on the continent of Africa should be eradicated as a matter of utmost urgency.In light of this I urged blacks with similar ideological beliefs to join me.thenewblackpantherparty will strengthen your will and resolve to remove this stain from the African continent.
27 Jan 2012, 16:22 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-222: Bayers Naude, please google him and stop being a c unt!!!
27 Jan 2012, 16:22 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-141:
I don’t think that Morne should be mentioned in the same sentence as Barry John.
Barry John stated that he retired because the adulation for him had become bigger than the game itself.
27 Jan 2012, 16:22 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-224: You will fail as surely as your father’s condom did
27 Jan 2012, 16:23 pm
@XhosaKid-225: Pray tell what influence Beyers Naude has on rugby in SA?
27 Jan 2012, 16:24 pm
@trupisero-228: what did I say about Bayers Naude and rugby, pray tell
27 Jan 2012, 16:26 pm
@XhosaKid-225: However, we do know that a certain Mr. Rupert is allegedly a member and what influence he may hold in rugby.
Then again, old Kortbroek was the leader of their youth wing and just look how influential he is!
27 Jan 2012, 16:28 pm
I loved it when Boland Coetzee kicked the Broederbond off his farm when they came calling to offer him membership.
27 Jan 2012, 16:28 pm
@XhosaKid-229: see post 212. Does that remotely contain something that may relate to b-bond influence in rugby?
27 Jan 2012, 16:31 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-224: We all derive from Africa, fool.
27 Jan 2012, 16:31 pm
@David-231: Lol….did you know lions have se.x 10 to 15 times a day? And I joined the blerrie broerbond last week
27 Jan 2012, 16:32 pm
Is Stormers/cheetahs game on this evening ???????????
27 Jan 2012, 16:32 pm
@XhosaKid-225:
don’t be a ****.
I’m talking about NOW you imbecile.
**** you are as thick as just rugby.
funny how you appear like a **** in a jaccuzzi the day the bok coach gets announced (whom I gather you don’t rate) and start talking out your arse.
so predictable.
27 Jan 2012, 16:33 pm
@David-231:
another country member?
I wonder what Morne du Plessis did?
27 Jan 2012, 16:34 pm
@Michael-233:what about sumeria?
27 Jan 2012, 16:35 pm
@justrugby-205:
You need to fully understand you are dealing here with a genuine fraud artist, a acknowledged ignoramus and someone truly not seeped in the true and traditional S. African cultural heritage, in short, he is ignorant of matters African.
Remember also soon after birth he was found in a basket amongst thhe reeds of the Hartebeespoortdam and frisked away to many areas of the globe as they thought he was a ‘Moses’ but turned out subsequently to be a ‘Mossie- a dom one at that.’
He can never and will never fight facts with facts but has no hesitation in lying and monumentally so. Thus this is the superficial, ****(her) who declares NUSAS( Nusas, I ask you) as the iceberg of the radical movement in the 70s -90s South Africa.
He will in all probability deny that the present and active AfrikanerBond is the Afrikaner Broederbond in word and deed, but will insist that they are merely DisneyGlobal-in-Africa, tending to the funny needs of his Afrikaners:
” The Afrikanerbond (Afrikaner League), established in 1994, is a new incarnation of the Afrikaner Broederbond, formerly a South African secret society. Although it retains its old headquarters in Auckland Park, Johannesburg, unlike its predecessor, membership is open to anyone over the age of 18 years who identifies with the Afrikaner community. Applicants are required to go through a selection process before membership is granted. The existence of the organisation is no longer cloaked in secrecy, it now has its own website.
The organisation has the following aims:
To promote human rights and democracy; reconciliation between the people of South Africa; family stability; land reform; and Afrikaans language and culture
To preserve cultural artefacts and heritage sites ” – amongst other fake goals.
Rugby clearly falls under “culture” for them. All Bulls fans can tell you lots more, just ask the Tac and the Fraud.
27 Jan 2012, 16:37 pm
@Michael-233: The self proclaimed chairman derives from a mixture of donkeyturd and cheap wine
27 Jan 2012, 16:38 pm
Freedom or Death.My fellow black comrades,let us unite under the banner of the new black panther organization.Let these Broederbonders have their glowing and fuzzy moment in the sun today….
27 Jan 2012, 16:39 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-241: I see your daddy just arrived too.
27 Jan 2012, 16:39 pm
You know just buggery is on to a winner when extrabollock (the world’s biggest fraud) jumps in on his side.
Extratwat is Meyer a member of the AfrikanerBond?
What a fukking joke you are.
27 Jan 2012, 16:43 pm
WTF.
The 80% win ratio is already in its @#$%.
27 Jan 2012, 16:43 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-241:
I’d tone it down, if I were you. Young Julius will not tolerate ANY competition.
27 Jan 2012, 16:46 pm
Julle’s almal bevok.
27 Jan 2012, 16:47 pm
@Dawn-246: En sommiges is gefok ook
27 Jan 2012, 16:51 pm
@David-245: I’d like him to tell us about the two african countries that were not colonised and how that worked out for them
27 Jan 2012, 16:55 pm
Comrade Malema believes in black nationalism,anti-imperialism,pan-Africanism and anti-zionism, so he is more than welcome to join the cause.thenewblackpanther.com as point of reference for anyone interested.
27 Jan 2012, 16:56 pm
Has anyone else posted this?
Johannesburg – The Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) is “hopelessly insolvent, both factually and commercially”, its former potential equity partners said in court papers filed in the South Gauteng High Court.
The Guma Tac group has taken steps to liquidate the GLRU to regain multi-million rand loans.
Guma Tac, which is jointly owned by Robert Gumede and Ivor Ichikowitz, cut ties with the GLRU in June 2011, shortly before it was to have purchased a 49.9% stake in the union.
“The object of the application is to bring about the winding-up of the respondent on the ground that it is unable to pay its debts,” Guma Tac said in the affidavit.
The former potential equity partners claimed in the court papers that the GLRU owed Guma Tac in excess of R8m and Ichikowitz more than R2m.
“As will appear from the annual financial statements of the respondent (the Lions) over three years, the respondent’s financial position has deteriorated to a position where its liabilities exceed its assets by tens of millions of rands,” the court papers read.
It also revealed that the Lions’ auditors Price Waterhouse Coopers already in December 31 2008 reported that the union’s “liabilities significantly exceed its assets and that the ablate of the company to continue as a going concern is uncertain”.
In a table it demonstrated that the Lions’ total liabilities exceeded its total assets by R48.6m in 2007, which ballooned to R73.9m by December 31 2010.
In the affidavit the applicants claim that if they had not advanced any payments to the Lions, the union would have been unable to pay the players’ salaries.
“It would have been in breach of its contractual obligations and in all likelihood lost most of its players, including its top senior players, and placed the respondent in a position with no choice to join other financially stable teams.
“The applicants’ funding allowed the Lions to pay for the salaries of the players, coaches and staff, to buy both the international and local players, and employ other value-adding staff to improve the team’s performance, culminating in them winning the Currie Cup in 2011.”
Guma Tac said they paid staff salaries in January 2011 before the start of the Super Rugby season of which R821 185 went towards staff payroll, more than R4m to the players’ payroll, and R171 000 to Lions conditioning coach Wayne Taylor.
The group also paid an extra R400 000 to the Lions to cover the monthly grants for the GLRU’s 24 amateur rugby clubs.
Despite Guma Tac’s claims, the Lions have denied media reports that they could be liquidated.
“Until we are given a full disclosure on the claim, we cannot pay back any of the alleged ‘loaned amounts’ to the GLRU,” GLRU president Kevin de Klerk said earlier in the week.
Guma Tac claimed the Lions disputed the loan because their agreement was never put in writing.
It further claimed that the union approached Absa bank for an extension on its overdraft in October 2011.
The bank, however, was only willing to grant an extension if the Lions could provide a letter from Guma Tac confirming future funding.
27 Jan 2012, 16:57 pm
Comrade Malema can’t even spell those isms.
27 Jan 2012, 17:04 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-249:
But could you supply him with an unlimited amount of Johnny Walker Blue Label?
27 Jan 2012, 17:05 pm
@David-252: Will have to settle for Oom Tas late harvest
27 Jan 2012, 17:06 pm
Comrade my fecking left eye
If he’s so -ismed who’s gonna pay for his parties in Mauritius.
27 Jan 2012, 17:24 pm
My fellow comrades:let us be under no illusion.the rainbow nation is nothing bit a myth coined by an old clock-wearing little anglican bishop to make himself feel all fuzzy and warm inside.the fact of the matter is that,in the new south africa blacks still gets tossed on lions enclosures,blacks still gets dragged behind bakkies on farms,black children still get shot at and killed on farms because they dared to sw on dams to cool off,blacks still gets barred from certain establishments in this country.the ANC has created a fake society fellow comrades and we need to remedy the situation as our devine right.do you want to live in a society where you are still spit on and treated as second class citizens by the invaders?join the nbpp and take control of our destiny.
27 Jan 2012, 17:27 pm
Ja and blacks still have 100 000 thousand zar parties while their hospitals run out of money.
27 Jan 2012, 17:34 pm
Time to go.Freedom or Death.
27 Jan 2012, 17:35 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-255: This is a rugby blog my politically uneducated peanut. Buzz off.
27 Jan 2012, 17:37 pm
Right. Swatted him.
Next?
27 Jan 2012, 17:40 pm
Damn DSTV not showing any games tonite.
WTF am I paying for.
27 Jan 2012, 17:45 pm
Congrats to Meyer! I am sure that he feels the same way that PdV felt 4yrs ago!
27 Jan 2012, 17:56 pm
@theOracle-261: Nah…he was told he was picked for rugby reasons only.
27 Jan 2012, 17:59 pm
Meyer is best man for the job. Think we’ll be ok now
27 Jan 2012, 18:02 pm
@trupisero-262:
Hoe is Chingola?
27 Jan 2012, 18:08 pm
I lost an important clarifying post about an 75mins ago and despite the fact that I expected the King rodent(Cun.ther) of the White Rats’ group(Wistars) to run with tail stuck firmly between the legs I will totally repeat that post in the name of my series of ‘Continuing Education Series’ for the apologetic racisr LIARS.
I put on the agenda of sport discussion on RACISM, the Broederbond, almost 4 years ago now and it is me that used that same name first earlier this week too. So it is to me that the ‘counter-facts’ and smartarsed stupidity has to be addressed for it to be smartly dispatched into the trash can.
For the first time ever on this site I type the name Heyneke Meyer on this site but merely to expose the superficiality of the Business Batchelor(Cun.ther) when he puts his childish, immature questions in post #243(so much so for effin “joke”).
In typical Disney Mickey Mouse fashion he links the newly elected coach “Meyer” to the “AfrikanerBond” wrt my previous writings on the BroederBond(” .. is Meyer a member of the AfrikanerBond?). But that is the ignoramus, C/gunt that does so and certainly not me doing that linking and he cannot disprove that. He does not even know the point the earlier BB post made. But enough of his consistently emotional and vulgar and stupid utterances they merely emphasise his lack of sophistication in discussion.
So let me simply start this education at its beginning:
” The Afrikaner Broederbond (AB) (meaning Afrikaner Brotherhood) or Broederbond was a secret, exclusively male and Afrikaner Calvinist organization in South Africa dedicated to the advancement of Afrikaner interests. It was founded by HJ Klopper, HW van der Merwe, DHC du Plessis and Rev. Jozua Naudé in 1918 and was known as Jong Zuid Afrika (Young South Africa) until 1920, when it became the Broederbond. Its large influence within South African political and social life, sometimes compared to that of Masons in Freemason conspiracy theories, came to a climax with the rise of apartheid, which was largely designed and implemented by Broederbond members. Between 1948 and 1994, all prominent figures of South African political life, including all leaders of the government were members of the Afrikaner Broederbond.{{ only reason this goes to 1994 is because the ANC took over. But that does not spell the end of the Broeders, that is just the early years and the old despised name – is the C/gunt a closet member? }}
27 Jan 2012, 18:09 pm
should read simply 75 mins ago(ignore an)
27 Jan 2012, 18:12 pm
@David-250:
You are simply providing me with the devastating bullets I expected much later down the road.
It seems these guys are out to wipe de Klerk all over the vomit on the floor.
27 Jan 2012, 18:27 pm
well this blog is anything but boring at least
27 Jan 2012, 18:28 pm
The TRANSFORMATION of the yellow Chameleon, the Broederbond(a dirty word) , to the lighter brown Chameleon, the Afrikanerbond(but the stench is the same despite the Old Spice sprinkling):
” The Afrikanerbond (Afrikaner League), established in 1994, is a new incarnation of the Afrikaner Broederbond, formerly a South African secret society. Although it retains its old headquarters in Auckland Park, Johannesburg, unlike its predecessor, membership is open to anyone over the age of 18 years who identifies with the Afrikaner community. Applicants are required to go through a selection process before membership is granted. The existence of the organisation is no longer cloaked in secrecy, it now has its own website.
The organisation has the following aims:
To promote human rights and democracy; reconciliation between the people of South Africa; family stability; land reform; and Afrikaans language and culture
To preserve cultural artefacts and heritage sites ” amongst fake other goals.
NOTE WELL, as was the forerunner it too is Suid Afrikaner “secret society”.
This surely begs the IMPORTANT question then;
How does Cun.t(her) know who are or who are not its members?
Only bona fide ‘members’ would surely know that important but “secret” information? Does that explain the Bulls and his so crass and vulgar behaviour?
27 Jan 2012, 18:31 pm
@ET.-269: what do you hope to gain from posting here E.T.? i’m not attacking you, i’m genuinely interested.
27 Jan 2012, 18:32 pm
It becomes boring when there is repetition
27 Jan 2012, 18:36 pm
He’s educating the white people.
27 Jan 2012, 18:36 pm
@Dawn-271: too true. and so often it’s the moderates and extremists fighting, so one side is going to be more forceful about their point than the other. i mean you never see Hondo and ET getting into an argument.
27 Jan 2012, 18:36 pm
Great job done on the existence of the infamous Afrikaner Broederbond et.I note that vintner got a bit agitated earlier on.maybe the fact that he was exposed as a fraud played a part?
27 Jan 2012, 18:37 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-273: with each other, that is
27 Jan 2012, 18:37 pm
From his slab in Philly in the USA
27 Jan 2012, 18:38 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-274: nice gimmick, but please keep things fresh and try new angles, as Dawn said it can get a bit repetitive.
27 Jan 2012, 18:39 pm
We get a lot of it around here.
Expat preaching. Almost like we don’t know WTF is happening in our own country.
27 Jan 2012, 18:40 pm
Cun.t(her)’s post 243 can be simply classified as a token response. It is just a get-a-word-in-to-save-some-face effort with not a single fact but more expected distraction by sowing confusion with distortions.
Immediately after that post the tail-between-the-legs run began promptly.
Poor culturally disoriented boy. He was done a huge disservice by being shepherded out of Africa in a basket. he lost any semblance of real S.African culture and is still struggling even with small words like ” ‘jammer, gevaar” endismeer’.
27 Jan 2012, 18:41 pm
At least kiwis insult us about rugby.
27 Jan 2012, 18:43 pm
@Dawn-280: mostly, a few went a bit overboard during the world cup
27 Jan 2012, 18:45 pm
It is scaringly obvious YOU don’t.
Even denied yesterday, “kaaak” in DisneyGlobal in Africa fashion.
Someone smartly wrote for you ” grow a t’t and a ****, jit”.
How APT. Could not improve on that, even me.
27 Jan 2012, 18:48 pm
Just loved his battle with justrugby where he tried to trade his clowning abilities for one of renowned debater on all things concerning the broederbond.tale between the legs aptly describes him.
27 Jan 2012, 18:49 pm
“Every single game will be very important. So the World Cup will be the cherry on the top, but you want to be number one in the world for a long time.” So says Heyneke.
Now that”s what I want to hear from a Bok coach. Not this “judge me on the World Cup claptrap.”
27 Jan 2012, 19:02 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-270:
You do not accept their is much to be gained by exposing lies of the present neo-racist rugby dispensation, even in the 21st century?
How very sad!
27 Jan 2012, 19:02 pm
@ufo-188:
I think we should make that the keo anthem.
27 Jan 2012, 19:08 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-283:
Wait for my next post it will be the 21st century cherry on top showing the connections of a top echelon rugby boss to the Afrikanerbond/Broederbond.
How does one explain the neo-racist franchise/union teams(even club level) selected by the ‘verkrampte’ coaches and sanctioned by their equally’ verkrampte’ presidents(who can prove they are not Broeders if they establish secret societies)?
27 Jan 2012, 19:11 pm
@ET.-285:
I’ve gotta hand it to you Elliott. You’ve been exposed as a lair and a fraud a hundred times on here and still you keep bringing your corpus back to give everyone a good laugh at your scrambled mentis.
It’s great how your sad empty life keeps everyone amused. Gives it some meaning I suppose. I almost can’t wait to see what goodies you are going to share with everyone on Keo over the coming season.
Thanks for being you.
27 Jan 2012, 19:12 pm
@ET.-287:
Oooh, I can’t wait. I’ve got wood.
27 Jan 2012, 19:13 pm
The kings announcement should be frowned upon.was it done to appease certain sections of South African society over the appointment of this Afrikaner broederbond thing h.meyer
27 Jan 2012, 19:15 pm
Is he talking to me? What is he on about?
27 Jan 2012, 19:16 pm
The Broederbond is now black.
End of.
27 Jan 2012, 19:18 pm
And now the ‘re-do’ of the lost post because of the inefficient workings of this site.
March 15 2007
{{ New role for Afrikanerbond:
On April 18, 1918, three young Afrikaners met on a koppie in Kensington, Johannesburg. Their aim was simple – to form a secret society to “defend the Afrikaner and return him to his rightful place in South Africa”.
The secret society would be known as the Afrikaner Broederbond and would ultimately consist of more than 12 000 Afrikaners from all sectors of society.
It would provide every single National Party prime minister and ultimately state president between 1948 and 1994, from DF Malan to FW de Klerk; create parastatals like Iscor and Sasol, universities like the Rand Afrikaans University and the University of Port Elizabeth, and establish newspaper groups and banks.
Sanlam, Santam, the Voortrekker organisation, the Rapportryers, the Federasie van Afrikaansekultuur (FAK) were all created in a bid to “harness political, social and economic forces in South Africa to its cause of ultimate Afrikaner domination”.
And when its secrecy was finally breached in a series of sensational disclosures by journalists Ivor Wilkins and Hans Strydom, later published as The Super Afrikaners in 1978, the shock waves were felt along the length and breadth of apartheid South Africa.
Next month, a week before its 89th anniversary, the bond, renamed the Afrikanerbond in 1994, will be led by a 42-year-old Afrikaner, who intends opening the organisation to all Afrikaans speakers, irrespective of colour or creed, and ensure they are given a fair chance to contribute to the creation and success of a non-racial South Africa.
Jan Bosman, career political official and currently head of the office of the ministry of agriculture in the Western Cape provincial government, takes up the job as the Bond’s managing director on April 10.
Educated at Rand Afrikaans University, Bosman was never a member of the bond, although members of his family were. He became interested in politics, he says, after FW de Klerk’s announcement in 1990 to unban the ANC and other banned liberation organisations.
After graduating in 1991, he became youth secretary for the Transvaal region of the National Party, becoming NP media officer in 1993. He joined Louis Luyt in 1999 as Luyt’s spokesperson, before becoming seconded to the Democratic Alliance as parliamentary director.
Since 2001, he has been employed by the Western Cape provincial government.
Some of his first priorities on taking office will be to rid the Bond of the perceptions he believes people have of it and make it as transparent an organisation as possible.
“In the past, they referred to the Afrikanerbond as ‘baantjies vir boeties’ (jobs for pals). You got in the fast track if you were a member. In my family there were members, there are still members and that was never their experience but I think that’s a perception. It could have happened; I’m not denying that, but there was more good than bad.”
He said the Bond has a proud history, mostly in the current era of having been instrumental in changing the views and thoughts of white NP members, preparing them for the momentous change that would happen after 1990.
“The Bond must also be credited for that; there’s nothing to be ashamed of,” Bosman says.
It is no longer a white Afrikaner organisation. Indeed, Bosman claims the majority of Afrikaans speakers in this country aren’t Afrikaners.
“By far the majority of Afrikaans-speaking people are the coloured people.
“From a population of 5,9-million people that speak Afrikaans, only 2,5-million are from the white community, so white people can no longer claim ownership of Afrikaans.
“That’s the premise which I want to start off with: to say that I do not represent a majority group in this country.
“The Afrikanerbond cannot really speak for all Afrikaners or all Afrikaans-speaking people and it must never claim to be a mouthpiece for Afrikaners or Afrikaans-speaking people.”
Instead, the organisation that wanted to redress the injustices of the Anglo Boer war by creating a state which would never ever allow the subjugation of its people again.
It now wants to build upon its links with the government to ensure that the concerns of Afrikaans-speaking South Africans are heard and attended to.
Times have changed, Bosman says, and the Afrikanerbond has changed accordingly. “It was established to create an Afrikaner foundation which could look after the Afrikaners through various industries, Sasol, RAU, Iscor and so on … they were all founded through the AB. This was the part of the Afrikanerbond of which I am proud of, that we could rise to the occasion and be part of the growth of this country and build it,” he says.
Today the issue is about protecting the Afrikaans language and the people who speak it – yet, paradoxically, given the recent controversy of Bok van Blerk (Louis Pepler)’s hit song De la Rey, he believes the language has never been stronger.
“Walk into any CD shop or newspaper shop, and look at the volume of Afrikaans music available, the amount of Afrikaans literature on the shelves or the number of Afrikaner festivals like Aardklop and KKNK. Afrikaans, I think, has never been as strong as it is now.”
But the threat remains. “On certain other levels in government there’s a tendency to go the English route and my feeling is that in the Western Cape why not go the Afrikaans, English and Xhosa route? We also have a role to play to protect the Xhosa language and culture and that’s also a role the Afrikanerbond can play in the future to help other cultures with their identity and help strengthen themselves.
“It is exactly 300 years ago that a frustrated Hendrik Bibault stood up in Stellenbosch and said ‘I’m an Afrikaner’.
“It’s no coincidence that my family is celebrating its 300th anniversary in South Africa. I’m no longer from the Netherlands, I’m from Africa. I consider myself to be part of a generation of Afrikaans-speaking South Africans that are in this country to stay, I don’t have anywhere else to go, I don’t have a second passport, I must take co-responsibility and ownership of South Africa … just give me the opportunity to be part of the country.” }}
NOTE WELL the date, namely 2007 and the NAME in the article of one racist LOUIS LUYT.
My further COMMENT will follow later.
Have some important things to assess before the next procedure.
27 Jan 2012, 19:18 pm
The bulls rugby union are steeped in a rich tradition of Broederbond culture.I await that damning post with great anticipation.
27 Jan 2012, 19:20 pm
@Dawn-291:
That my dear, is the question with an answer more elusive than the meaning of life.
I see he’s found a new buddy though.
That’s nice.
Not very original and trotting out the same stuff seen on these pages for yonks by 100 other sad cases, but still, it’s a bit of company isn’t it?
Bless.
27 Jan 2012, 19:21 pm
jirre comrade shabazz! you need to check your spelling ok? AMANDLA!
27 Jan 2012, 19:23 pm
Educating the white people can be a thankless job.
Shame.
27 Jan 2012, 19:23 pm
@ET.-293:
“My further COMMENT will follow later.”
Lol, you’re a twatt. No one gives a sook. Go and earn your salary instead.
Anyone see the tennis today?
27 Jan 2012, 19:24 pm
“Have some important things to assess before the next procedure.”
O my vok I hope he uses anaesthetic.
27 Jan 2012, 19:24 pm
Well I never.
We have a brand new copy and paste merchant.
I mean who cares.
27 Jan 2012, 19:25 pm
Oh, forgot about the Stormers/Lions. Any updates coming out of Newlands Dawn?
27 Jan 2012, 19:26 pm
@Dawn-299:
I hope he washes his hands…
27 Jan 2012, 19:27 pm
Interesting stuff et.keep exposing these liars brother et.
27 Jan 2012, 19:27 pm
Yeesh I am dying for updates.
Fecking DSTV shysters.
27 Jan 2012, 19:29 pm
6-3 to stormers after twenty min
27 Jan 2012, 19:30 pm
Shabaz
He is educating not exposing.
Exposing is left to people who know what they are doing. Like the M&G and City Press.
Oh yes. We have that here.
27 Jan 2012, 19:30 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-303:
Brother?
Wow!!! You’re in there Elliott if you play your cards right. Maybe even start a movement.
Well I certainly did, I shitt myself laughing at you two heroes.
27 Jan 2012, 19:31 pm
Rob are you there?
We need more than score!
27 Jan 2012, 19:32 pm
@Robzim-305:
Evening Rob, where you getting the updates from? Pounding furiously on your nokia in the stands by any chance?
Keep it coming if you can please.
27 Jan 2012, 19:38 pm
Redhead kitshoff scored, joe converted, thirteen to 3.
27 Jan 2012, 19:39 pm
Don’t the Klan call each other “brother” as well?
27 Jan 2012, 19:39 pm
@Dawn-308:
Dawn, didn’t you crack stormerboy’s e-mail addie. He said he was going to the game.
27 Jan 2012, 19:40 pm
@Robzim-310:
That’s what we want to hear. Many thanks Rob.
27 Jan 2012, 19:41 pm
Only 6 hours on the job, HM already blasted the media with enough nonsense in the best rhetoric tradition of tough guyssuch as Le Grange (L& O minister in the 80′s) and Chris Hani combined
Or maybe there are signs of insecured new coach?
27 Jan 2012, 19:42 pm
@jock.the new black panther organization have been around for over two decades now.our ideology of black nationalism,pan-Africanism,anti-imperialism,anti-Zionism etc etc willbe actively persued .our aim is to engaged with fellow right-minded comrades in sa and to plant the organization African soil.unfortunately invaders like yourself will be excluded for reasons beyond our control…..at least the afrikaner broederbond or some other Klan splinter group might consider you.
27 Jan 2012, 19:43 pm
Its absolute bull that dstv is not showing these games
AND very horrible to see what should have been a celebratory thread being hijacked. Some people are just so miz.
27 Jan 2012, 19:45 pm
Hondo stop talking kuk.
Shabazz. You gonna blow things up? Shabang?
27 Jan 2012, 19:47 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-315: So you are an AWB type just the opposite extreme, big wank ! nothing to brag about.
27 Jan 2012, 19:51 pm
Jinne Hondo you should be celebrating what is your problem.
27 Jan 2012, 19:53 pm
Did you celebrate when pdv was appointed as coach?are you one of those liars on here that parades around this site believing that your white superiority complex will determine how the masses in this country emotionally responds to the appointment of a white invader as national coach?why should we rejoice with your people?
27 Jan 2012, 19:54 pm
Halftime score 13-6, Etsebeth and de Jongh plaing well for stormers and Butch. J looking good for Lions. Posting via blackberry is kak, I am quitting.
27 Jan 2012, 19:55 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-315:
Gee, not THE new black panther movement????
That well known group who, errr, well, errr…..nah, you got me.
Who’s garage do you meet in? Maybe I know his Mom.
27 Jan 2012, 19:56 pm
He’ll be whinging with the best of them as soon as he loses his 1st match.
He wont be able to help himself. Its in the Yappie DNA
27 Jan 2012, 19:56 pm
@Robzim-321:
Bummer. Send us the final score if you get a chance Rob
27 Jan 2012, 19:57 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-315:
What on earth has Zionism got to do with an African movement? Are you also including an anti Sino stance because of their colonisation of Tibet?
27 Jan 2012, 19:57 pm
Whoyoutalkingto Bazz.
27 Jan 2012, 19:59 pm
@JockBok-289:
My wood is already seeping out sap, I am so excited!!!
ROFL!!!
27 Jan 2012, 19:59 pm
There’s a game thread.
Posting via bb is ok tho!
27 Jan 2012, 20:02 pm
@PrickBoks going South-323:
Yappie? Have you any idea what Jaapie actually means, you idiot?
27 Jan 2012, 20:02 pm
It’s funny how the internet has a corner for every pastime or interest possible, weird stuff like sniffing socks or even supporting the Bulls (shudder), but the amount of losers attracted to sites on subjects they profess to hate seems to attract them like moths to a candle.
It’s like a kid being naughty so he can get attention. Sad, sad people. It says more about you than the people you attack.
27 Jan 2012, 20:03 pm
Prickbok yaps.
Nuff said.
27 Jan 2012, 20:04 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-320: No I didnt celebrate, didnt have a clue who he was, was still gobsmacked over JW being canned after winning the work cup and then hearing PdV was selected cos of the colour of his skin, so no I didnt celebrate.
27 Jan 2012, 20:05 pm
Off to watch Midsommer Murders, so wont be replying back for a while if at all.
27 Jan 2012, 20:05 pm
@David.go to thenewpanther.com and enlighten yourself.your name could be seen as problematic though……
27 Jan 2012, 20:05 pm
@JockBok-322:
hahaha.
I think poodle has a new nic.
How you doing?
27 Jan 2012, 20:06 pm
I wonder if the New Black Panther Organisation are linked to the Peoples Front of Judea or the Tooting Popular Front?
27 Jan 2012, 20:06 pm
18-6 Stormers as Aplon scores.
27 Jan 2012, 20:07 pm
@Treehugger-332:
Now you are a confirmed racist in the minds of the delusional.
27 Jan 2012, 20:11 pm
Betja Carol’s also watching!
27 Jan 2012, 20:12 pm
Now 21 – 6
27 Jan 2012, 20:14 pm
with Meyer universally welcomed as PrickBok coach, the Yappies will now have to find a new scapegoat to blame.
27 Jan 2012, 20:16 pm
@IAAS-335:
Lol. I don’t think it’s the poodle, but I guess a racist is a racist is a racist so it’s hard to tell them apart.
Doing good thanks bud. Getting ready for the season with the usual optimism. Feck knows why though
27 Jan 2012, 20:20 pm
They already have an excuse at the ready when England arrives later.i think it’s one of ‘we will only have one week to prepare after the derbies Stormers v bulls and sharks v lions’.
27 Jan 2012, 20:21 pm
28-6 Stormers after another Aplon try.
27 Jan 2012, 20:23 pm
@JockBok-342:
Being a staunch supporter one has to remain “cautiously optimistic.” How I hate that phrase.
Are you doing superbru this time around? I’ll register tom.
Are you still in Chad?
27 Jan 2012, 20:24 pm
Shabang!
27 Jan 2012, 20:29 pm
@PissAnt-344:
Thanks PA.
Are the Lions actually in the game or just treating it as a contact session?
27 Jan 2012, 20:31 pm
@PissAnt-344:
Sweet.
@IAAS-345:
Yep, still bouncing around in the sand sweating my nuts off. Mind you, it’s winter just now so it was only about 37 today
Should be out of here soon though, planning to be at Newlands on 31st March for a certain insignificant little game so have booked a hotel in town already.
Gee, 2 months = soon??? Where’s the facepalm smiley? i’ve been in the sun too long….
27 Jan 2012, 20:34 pm
@IAAS-347:
Stormers defence excellent, Lions had enough chances but their biggest concern is a non-existing line-out.
27 Jan 2012, 20:35 pm
Goes quicker than you think!
27 Jan 2012, 20:36 pm
28-6 Stormers, 10min left
27 Jan 2012, 20:38 pm
@JockBok-348:
Bulls game will be a biggie. Was at the same game at Loftus last year. The Bulls supporters were yakking all season long that we caught them cold too early in the season.
27 Jan 2012, 20:40 pm
@PissAnt-349:
Cool. Thanks PA
27 Jan 2012, 20:41 pm
@Dawn-350:
I hope so, just wish the season would start and help things along a bit.
27 Jan 2012, 20:44 pm
5min left still 28-6 Stormers
27 Jan 2012, 20:45 pm
@IAAS-352:
Yep, I remember you going. That was a great result, just hope we get a few more of the same this year.
Man, I wish they’d at least show us a highlights reel of this game on at the moment. It’s torture sitting here reading the comments from those guys who are there…
27 Jan 2012, 20:48 pm
Katman is there. Must be fuming.
Strauss and doppies can’t be playing.
27 Jan 2012, 20:51 pm
@Dawn-357:
Katman will be chilled. This was a practice match. Nothing more, nothing less.
But I’ll still take the win.
27 Jan 2012, 20:52 pm
28-6 Full time at Newlands, Stormers ended with only 12 men on the field – defence massive.
27 Jan 2012, 20:53 pm
@JockBok-356:
Last year these matches were shown live. Neo-Africa as a sponsor pulled out at the last minute. whether it was that, I don’t know.
27 Jan 2012, 20:54 pm
12? What happened?
27 Jan 2012, 20:54 pm
@PissAnt-359:
28 – 6 win and 12 men on the field. That sounds about right. Who were they playing again?
27 Jan 2012, 21:01 pm
@Dawn-361:
Yellow cards.
27 Jan 2012, 21:02 pm
Good grief is everyone watching Midsome Murders
27 Jan 2012, 21:06 pm
@Dawn-364:
Pawn Stars.
27 Jan 2012, 21:16 pm
Terrible Jock!
27 Jan 2012, 21:20 pm
@Dawn-364:
How did you know?
27 Jan 2012, 21:27 pm
@Dawn-366:
Sniff.
My name is Jock and I’m addicted to pawn…
27 Jan 2012, 21:29 pm
Educated guess?
27 Jan 2012, 21:30 pm
HelLooooo Jock
27 Jan 2012, 21:36 pm
I have so much kuk to do tomorrow and I don’t smaak.
27 Jan 2012, 21:45 pm
@Dawn-369:
And now Charlie Rose. How’s your crystal ball?
27 Jan 2012, 22:08 pm
@Dawn-364:
You seriously have Midsummer Murders over there!!
Hahahahahah
27 Jan 2012, 22:11 pm
Oh btw Dawn, I’m not there yet!!
27 Jan 2012, 22:17 pm
Course we have midsomer murders here!
Very frightfully frightfully we are!
27 Jan 2012, 22:23 pm
@carol-373:
With the new Barnaby.
27 Jan 2012, 22:31 pm
ROAR roaaaaaaaar! And ROAR.
27 Jan 2012, 22:31 pm
ROAR.
27 Jan 2012, 22:32 pm
ROAR ROAR ROAR.
hell man what time us it!
27 Jan 2012, 22:32 pm
@Dawn-375:
@David-376:
To say I am surprised in an understatement!!
Now you know the county where I live! Except that is South Oxfordshire and I am North Oxfordshire!
Not so many murders this end, Midsomer is as dangerous as Cape Town!!
27 Jan 2012, 22:33 pm
Where is everyone, how the heck I’m I goin to get home. Fark!
27 Jan 2012, 22:33 pm
@RL-379:
Is that because your boys lost, bad luck…..!!
27 Jan 2012, 22:35 pm
@carol-380:
You forget that friends of ours live just outside Chipping Norton.
27 Jan 2012, 22:35 pm
Women Brokeback city is the most dangerous crime ridden place in
SA followed by PE and sharkievakie city … it is true.
27 Jan 2012, 22:37 pm
Hell battery is almost ded … 1 bar I’m out. Chow all.
27 Jan 2012, 22:38 pm
No cause I drank shiit!
27 Jan 2012, 22:38 pm
Obviously not real shiit but memory losing shiit.
27 Jan 2012, 22:39 pm
Are you dronk.
27 Jan 2012, 22:39 pm
Night buddies.
27 Jan 2012, 22:44 pm
@RL-389:
Night Loser.
27 Jan 2012, 22:49 pm
I think he sleeping outside tonight. Can’t find his ride home.
27 Jan 2012, 22:54 pm
@IAAS-360: Not all the games were shown live. Only the Sharks and Stormers game. Iffy highlights were shown of the Stormers/Lions and Sharks/Lions games. I heard there will be a highlight package of the Stormers/Lions game before the Cheetahs/Stormers game (it will be live).
27 Jan 2012, 23:05 pm
@David-383:
I had forgotten that David! Are you visiting anytime soon?
27 Jan 2012, 23:08 pm
@Dawn-391:
Hope old RL is ok….!
27 Jan 2012, 23:11 pm
He be fine. He needs to find shady spot to sleep cos it’s gonna be hot tomorrow.
27 Jan 2012, 23:15 pm
@carol-393:
No, my wife was there year before last, though.
Apparently Midsomer is filmed in a variety of locations, not just Oxfordshire. Tonights episode contained a number of old red brick houses, common in East Anglia and I’m sure I recognised one river setting as being on the Broads.
27 Jan 2012, 23:20 pm
‘Night everyone, it’s late and I’m off to bed.
28 Jan 2012, 00:06 am
Sports, Cultures and Identities in South Africa a book by John Nauright dispels any attempts the apologists might try (false notions) to lie to spare them from shameful embarrassment.
Ch. 4 ‘White Tribe Dreaming’ : Rugby, Politics and White Identities …
Ch 6. ‘ No Normal Sport in an Abnormal Society’: Apartheid, The Rise of Non-Racial Sport and International Boycott Movements …
Ch 8 The Burden of the Past : (Re)Presentation, History, Sport and Society in the Rainbow Nation
These chapters , amongst other, will not be soothing reading for the apologetic LIARS here even though not written by active non-racists especially in Cape Town and still living.
Be careful LIARS, be very careful.
28 Jan 2012, 00:16 am
The sad sack racist still has … race on his mind. Fancy that.
What a knobber.
28 Jan 2012, 00:26 am
White Tribe Dreaming tells us of the appointment of the Jnr. ‘Broederbonder’, Avril Malan as capt. of the 1960 ‘Boks to England. This ‘Ruiterwag’ member was a political appointment, as was the appointment of Dawie De Villiers and Nellie Smith as capt. and v-capt. in 1965.
Abe Malan, brother of Avril, alternated with his brother as capt. in the early ’60s but were clearly not the best for that job(see next post)
Malan’s father was a prof. at Stellies and later a member of parliament and De Villiers was after his ruugby days a Cabinet Minister.
In it too is info. that english speaking players were denied captaincy often because they “were inimical to the interests of the Afrikaner ‘nation’.
There is much much more written though.
28 Jan 2012, 00:29 am
The provider of the substantiated truth (see quotes) is always the non-racist in this issue.
It is there in the history in black on white.
28 Jan 2012, 00:32 am
@David-396:
The red brick is very ‘South Oxfordshire’, Henley on Thames etc!
Catch you again.
28 Jan 2012, 00:33 am
How important is captaincy in rugby?
March, 2006
History has many examples of the right and the wrong captains having been selected – which begs the old question: Do you select the best player, or the best captain? And what is his influence on a team’s performance?
Anton Leonard, Joost van der Westhuizen and Corné Krige recently all captained succesfull teams. Ditto for Francois Pienaar and John Smit. With especially the Stormers currently suffering, it poses the question:
Do you select your best team, or a team with the best captain?
Going back in history, this topic comes to the fore often. The 1956 Springboks would probably have been much more succesfull had they stuck to Salty du Randt as captain. An unfortunate happening between him and Jan Pickard let to some fisticuffs on the eve of the team’s announcement – and Basie Viviers was plucked from obscurity to lead the team.
This lead to the dropping of the already selected Jack van der Schyff, with the highly rated Johnny Buchler selected as the second fullback. Throughout the tour the selectors struggled to warrant Viviers’ place in the team and even tried him at flyhalf.
The 1951/52 team lost their captain – Basil Kenyon – at an early stage and the leadership was thrust upon Hennie Muller.
Doc Craven later remarked that this was probably the best thing that could have happened to this conquering team, and is also on record that Salty du Rand (and Van der Schyff with him) received some of the rawest of deals in the history of the game.
“Wrong side of the railway line”
After that we had the 1960/61 team in the UK. Although succesfull, they would probably have been one of the great teams in history had they been captained by Doug Hopwood, and not by the 22-year old Avril Malan.
The fact that their team manager was crawling from one pub to the other and that their assistant-manager was one of the worst communicators in the game contributed to what really was not a very happy team.
Hopwood was a great No 8 and a very succesfull captain of Western Province, but the selectors saw him as someone from the “wrong side of the railway line” to captain a Springbok team.
The Boks struggled in the 1963 series against the Wallabies, mainly because of inconsistent selections and the captaincy alternating between Avril Malan to Abe Malan more than once in the series.
Thereafter the Boks had great captains. Pienaar may not have been the best in his posisition in the country, but he never stood out as a bad selection and was by far the best available captain.
28 Jan 2012, 01:38 am
Comment on post 293
How many here can deny the existence of the Afrikaner Broederbond / Afrikanerbond, even today in South Africa and the connections between the Afrikaner Broederbond/Afrikanerbond and the utterly despicable, corrupt(95 WC) Louis Luyt with his impeccable rugby pedigree? Address all the evidence provided.
The Broederbond had up to 24k members(some docs.) and 1400 branches at one stage across the land and concentrated clearly north of the Hex River Valley. Does that mentality just evaporate overnight yet the org. still exists?
That monumental political interest group does not exist for no purpose and is clearly there to create a huge sphere of political influence in all aspects of life including big money sports like rugby. There has since 1994 been huge white outcries of less jobs for their group and thus cricket and rugby, financially controlled by them/whites, undeniably, is heavily protected for their sons and daughters(where possible) and especially in the former Transvaal and OFS and other franchises/unions where they are heavily outnumbered and in general disfavour with the ruling authorities.
That the close to 100 year existing mentality and nasty social attitudes of the Afrikanerbond does not influence largely those coaches and presidents and ‘kraal’ people of those recalcitrant areas is grossly unthinkable. We know about much dissatisfaction expressed by black players in those areas and surely ‘merit’ selection is often a joke overall there.
That the working of the B-bond is secretive makes present knowledge more difficult to expose but time will deal with that, unfortunately always after the event.
Did your Afrikaner sections of your families(if not wholly so) know at the time of the 60s-90s political involvements and influences of the B-bond in respect of the Malans and Smith and De Villiers and much more, provided in an earlier post. If then why not now too?
Why now would a Matfield or a F.Du Preez express the desire to come out of retirement to play for a Heyneke Meyer if not because of the trust, surely political?
Because of the many, many decades of the B-bond involement many others (not me) earlier on this thread had the right ro express a figurative reference to Bond involvement. They do not have to prove anything now as history has created that question for them and that political interest rugby group has re-incarnated itself(why).
Clearly the onus is on the apologetic LIARS(why lie) to provide the evidence that the Bond does not interfere but since it is a secretive and higly vetted Afrikaner organisation that is not easily possible.
28 Jan 2012, 03:10 am
Interesting times ahead, can’t wait to see his troops in action. Good luck to him, unless he plays my teams.
@ET.-403: “Anton Leonard, Joost van der Westhuizen and Corné Krige recently all captained succesfull teams”
Maybe Krige captained succesful domestic sides (haven’t heard them winning anything since he left for Europe a decade ago), I would not say that about his Boks captaincy. After all, as far as I recall, his troops never beat neither Poms, nor Frogs, not to mention the Blacks.
28 Jan 2012, 05:43 am
@Nils-405:
The question that was being addressed was actually ” How important is captaincy in rugby? ” Thus it mentions captains of any team and not only the national team e.g. krige at Stormers who got to semis in Super rugby.
More importantly I used the included information in the article to highlight political interference in the selections of captains such as Avril and Abe Malan( brothers of Magnus Malan a Def. Minister) instead of the brainy and brilliant #8 Doug Hopwood – Afrikaner Broederbond interference.
So too were the selections of the capt. and his understudy, Dawie DeVilliers and Nellie Smith in the 1965 tour to N.Z a political interference- according to Danie Craven.
28 Jan 2012, 06:26 am
@ET.-400:
The Broederbond interferences in the 1960 and 1965 capts . and more were not revealed at that specific time but many decades later in 1995 when Craven spoke to Greyvenstein for his book. Such is the doings of a secret organisation.
Craven went as far as calling the ’65 Boks the Broederbond team and blamed that for their lost test series.
Earlier and in the 60s or a little later all of Fry, Kenyon, Felix Du Plessis(Morne’s dad) Dryburgh, Bedford, Morne Dup and Wynand Claasen were axed and suffered various degrees of criticism based on politics(says Craven) – note all are english-speaking capts.
The slogan to oust some of them was :
” You don’t play an Englishman against an Englishman, you play a Boer against an Englishman.” – the opponents were English or Lions or ABs or Wallabies
So what happened before and in 2004 and 2007 and 2011 will only be revealed 35 – 60 or so years from those respective dates the effects of a secret org.
28 Jan 2012, 08:43 am
@youknowwho-66:
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Should have happened before he shot his load in the twat of some roadside prossie in kimberley and you did not dribble out all the way
28 Jan 2012, 08:55 am
ai man
beast out for 3 months….
terrible blow
28 Jan 2012, 09:08 am
@ET.-404:
Where do I sign up for the English Brotherhood?
28 Jan 2012, 09:24 am
@Nils-405: It wasn’t just South Africa, none of the Tri nations teams beat the Poms in those days.
28 Jan 2012, 09:26 am
@410
Why don’t you just start one.
28 Jan 2012, 10:58 am
Can’t believe that Meyers moment was almost ruined by the prick Vrede.
28 Jan 2012, 11:00 am
@grant10-409:
Shame poor beast man, how did it happen?
28 Jan 2012, 12:38 pm
Eng now 37 for 4….
chasing 145
whoa!
28 Jan 2012, 14:14 pm
Go King Kenny!
28 Jan 2012, 14:36 pm
@RL-413: If Vrede is a journalist than I am Tarzan from George.
28 Jan 2012, 14:37 pm
@grant10-415: Bowled out for 72. Pakistan 2-0 up in the series
28 Jan 2012, 15:03 pm
@Michael-418: so the saffas playing for the Poms could not save them … bowled out for 72 :smile,
28 Jan 2012, 15:04 pm
@keo-2: @keo-2:
Keo Why do you allow these racist accounts to continue on this site??
The comments from the below is nothing but racism and some1 with a political agenda making use of this site for spewing SPAM across posts.. Seriously don’t need to see this **** here when we come to talk rugby.
@ChairmanShabazz-255:
ChairmanWanker piss off man *** u are doff. What a clown.. Take ur racial primitive ideas else were.
28 Jan 2012, 16:18 pm
LOL it looks like Mitch will be sending his Vodacom cup team to front the Kings … that will teach them for selecting a Border XV against his boys.
Lions to boycott weakened Kings Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:51
Lions coach John Mitchell is not interested in taking on a weakened Southern Kings outfit and warned that his team will not turn up for their pre-season clash if that is the case.
28 Jan 2012, 17:28 pm
@ChairmanShabazz-255:
You shall walk 500 furlongs sideways down a purple path and seal-clap above your head during zenith. On the 7th day you shall insert a dill pickle into the navel of a clown.
Why do you laugh? This is the way of my people.
28 Jan 2012, 18:00 pm
@RL-421:
What EXACTLY is a FULL STRENGTH Kings line up comprised of compared to the weakened side ?
28 Jan 2012, 19:01 pm
Luke Watson?
Don’t tell me you ALSO discovered the CAPS button.
28 Jan 2012, 19:25 pm
Cheetahs beat the Kings 33-20 after trailing 14-20 at half time.
28 Jan 2012, 19:33 pm
@RL-419: Good on Pakistan beating SA Second stringers
@PissAnt-425: Sounds like a good match for the Kings?
29 Jan 2012, 07:29 am
I see Capo has promoted himself to chairman. Walkies.
29 Jan 2012, 09:35 am
427 stormer in a teacup:
Chairman of the Bored..!!?
29 Jan 2012, 12:28 pm
@ufo-428: Chairman of the boarding Kennels?
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